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I would like to explain to you what I did.
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Because when I killed Marc...
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When I killed him,
I was not in a normal state.
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What do you understand by...?
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Sorry. Please continue.
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I don't remember what I was saying anymore.
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She said she was mad.
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Yes, he had drunk.
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He had also been drinking.
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Did they have problems with alcohol?
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Yes.
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These are things that happen...
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And, since we have not seen each other again,
I have never been able to tell him...
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...fully conscious,
with clear ideas...
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...what happened.
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And above all I apologize.
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We both lost a lot...
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Do you feel that you have lost
as much as her?
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No, sorry, of course not.
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She lost her son because of me,
I will never forgive myself for that.
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But I lost too.
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I lost my partner,
My daughter lost her father.
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And I don't even know if I'll recover
to my daughter...
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...so it's not easy either.
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- No, of course, I understand.
- Oh really?
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Do you understand?
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Really?
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Sorry to interrupt...
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...but they are not going very well.
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Michel, you don't understand
what this person has experienced.
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Nobody can understand it.
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You can only try to imagine it.
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I know, but I've seen her so bad
that I have wanted to support her.
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Support her by listening to her,
It's the best you can do.
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Well, how have you been feeling?
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It's been hard!
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Yes, I think I screwed up.
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It has been difficult for me to listen,
I was very nervous.
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No, furthermore it has not been something fluid,
we interrupted ourselves.
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Above all, you have interrupted her.
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Yes, indeed,
The silences have not been respected.
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- And too many comments, Michel!
- Yeah.
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Many closed questions.
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Too much suggestion for you, Fanny.
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And too much judgment!
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I don't have the feeling
having judged her...
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...but it is true that I have tried
provoke her a little...
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...extract information from him.
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You must completely abandon
that goal.
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"Extract information"
It's not your goal.
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You're not a lawyer, you're not a police officer...
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And, above all, you are no longer from SPIP...
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...you must get out of your usual role.
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It must be you!
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What they propose to these people...
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...is the opposite of what everyone
has proposed to them.
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We don't speak for them...
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...we do not recommend anything,
We don't try to change them.
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We listen, we support...
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...unconditionally!
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They don't know who they are
nor what they should do.
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Convince yourself.
If not, this is not your place.
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If you give them space to think,
they are going to think.
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If not, they will say what they have been told
to everyone.
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And they are going to be silent
what they have always kept silent about!
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You hoard too much!
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Give him space!
You don't know this person!
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Let me inform you!
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Join her! No trial!
No rating!
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Airplane mode! Airplane mode!
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Have you felt heard?
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- Yes...
- No...
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No, you felt welcomed,
you have felt respected...
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...considered even,
and that's already very good...
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...but you haven't felt heard.
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Sorry it's hard,
but this is very important...
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...you have to understand it.
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Completely understand it.
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restorative justice
It is a combat sport.
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THE TWO FACES OF JUSTICE
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ONE YEAR LATER
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Let's go!
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Drive, dear friend.
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Have you cut your hair?
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Yes, Martine...
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- ...it has healed it a little for me.
- It looks good on you.
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But a little longer
It looks good on you too.
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You are always fine.
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We will arrive fair
to the meeting afterwards.
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I had expected a delay, but...
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in jail
You have to have more margin.
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- Hello.
- Hello.
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Well, let's introduce ourselves...
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My name is Fanny, I'm CPIP...
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...and trained mediator
in restorative justice.
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My name is Michel...
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...I am a retired teacher...
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...association volunteer
support for victims...
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...and trained mediator
in restorative justice.
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How are you doing?
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How are things right now?
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Couldn't be better.
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It would be nice if you told us
something about you.
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My name is Nassim.
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I am 29 years old.
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OK.
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Thanks, Nassim.
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Can you tell us why you know
restorative justice?
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My educator told me about it.
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And what have you understood...
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...what interested you?
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Victims meet with detainees, right?
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Yes that's how it is.
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It is a device that offers
the possibility of meetings...
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...among a group of people
who are authors of violations...
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...with a group of victims,
with the same typology of crimes.
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In this case, robberies with violence.
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Does the judge know?
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Know who is registered
in this process...
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...but you don't know the content
of these meetings. It's confidential.
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But it's good to do this, right?
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Is that okay with the judge?
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I have the trial soon.
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We can't tell you much.
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It is a device
based on volunteering.
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And in free.
I mean, it doesn't cost anything...
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...but it has no counterpart either.
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There is no sentence reduction or anything.
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So what is it for?
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To exchange experiences.
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You can ask questions...
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...tell what you have experienced,
how he has lived it.
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I have already told many times
what I have done.
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I don't want to go back
all the time.
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I want to go to the future.
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How do you see...
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...the future?
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How are you?
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Yes, centuries ago...
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...how good to hear you.
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No, not at all, I'm making a cake.
Tonight I'm going to a friend's house.
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And you?
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I call you because you are
in our database.
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Five years ago...
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...came to request legal help
after a robbery.
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I would like to see my brother again.
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But I don't want to see him at all
way, in a bar or...
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I don't know where it is, but it seems to be
who has returned to live here.
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My cousin told me.
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And I want...
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I don't want to cross him by chance.
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I want to see it to be sure
not to come across it by chance.
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Before there was a restraining order,
but that is no longer the case...
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...and I can't help...
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...to live here again...
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...nor that he frequents certain places.
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I want us to get
agree about certain things.
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Things...?
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When do you want to go to the cemetery...
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...to the cinema...
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...to the pool.
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That's the minimum.
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And maybe certain bars...
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...certain restaurants.
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What days, what time...
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I don't know how they organize...
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...this.
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First we have to specify
your expectations.
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I will then present your request to...
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What do you want us to call you?
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Don't know.
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As you want.
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- What's it called?
-Benjamin...
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...Delarme.
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Mr. Delarme?
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So I will present your request
to Mr. Delarme and...
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...if you agree to commit
in a mediation process...
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...I will see each one of you in person...
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...every two or three weeks
for the next six months.
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Later we can add more meetings
if we deem it appropriate.
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And how are you going to locate him?
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I can try it through SPIP,
that they must have had contact with him.
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Unless you have a number
or an address.
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I don't have anything anymore.
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but i know someone
which must have your number.
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I can ask you.
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If you know how to get your number,
We can ask that person...
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...to establish the first
making contact with Mr. Delarme.
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As a preamble,
so that it is not so crude.
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Yes, but it can't be that person.
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I don't trust her.
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OK.
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So where do we start?
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Whatever...
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Do you need to know
all the concrete facts?
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Tell me what you think I should hear...
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...to accompany her better
in the process that has started.
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Good.
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I'm going to it...
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...maybe it's a little long.
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Take your time...
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My older brother raped me
and he sexually assaulted me...
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...starting when I was seven years old,
he was thirteen.
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He tried to sodomize me
when I was twelve years old...
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...it hurt, I screamed...
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...didn't get in...
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...and then it stopped.
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I didn't tell anyone.
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One year after the divorce
of my parents, I asked to live with my father...
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...and my mother was left alone
with my brother.
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He's my stepbrother, in fact.
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I grew up...
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...I started having boyfriends,
It was a little difficult.
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At 17 years old I ended up telling him
to my boyfriend at the time...
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...what had happened to me...
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...and also my family.
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Except my maternal grandmother,
everyone believed me.
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tried to convince me
so that he would not report...
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...but I reported anyway.
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There was a trial, he acknowledged the facts...
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...but he said...
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...that he didn't know that I didn't want...
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...that I wasn't mature enough
to realize what he was doing.
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And I still don't know if he said that
to save your neck...
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...or if he really thought about it.
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In short,
He was convicted of rape...
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...attempted rape, etc.
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He spent three years in prison.
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And then he went to live abroad.
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And we never saw each other again.
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That's it. It was 12 years ago.
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Wait, I'm busy.
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I have had an interview
and I have to write it all down right away.
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Thank you.
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In the first trial
They sentenced me to 15 years.
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At the appeal trial
They sentenced me again to 15 years.
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And in the last one they gave me 10 years.
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I started to think.
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He was no longer the same.
The judge noticed.
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I didn't understand
Why had they given me so many years?
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Because there were no deaths,
nor injured, nor anything like that.
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And also the victims
They said nonsense.
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They confused everyone...
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...they said I had done
this and that.
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but really
They didn't even recognize me.
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How do you think they lived
the victims what happened?
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Don't know.
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I wanted to tell them: "That's it...
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...I have done something stupid,
I'm going to jail, it's normal.
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And it's over for you...
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...take your money and enjoy!
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They are blocked, paralyzed.
Get over it!"
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I don't understand why the victims
They can't get over it.
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I'm serious.
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I don't understand it, actually.
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Hello.
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Happens.
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I brought you chocolates.
259
00:14:31,139 --> 00:14:33,389
No thanks, they have too much sugar.
260
00:14:33,973 --> 00:14:35,389
Would you have a coffee?
261
00:14:35,473 --> 00:14:36,681
Perfect.
262
00:14:41,473 --> 00:14:43,264
What do you have against him?
263
00:14:44,806 --> 00:14:46,598
Haven't you already had
enough problems?
264
00:14:46,931 --> 00:14:50,264
The trial was very hard for him.
He lost everything:
265
00:14:50,431 --> 00:14:52,764
...his job, his girlfriend,
to all his friends...
266
00:14:54,848 --> 00:14:56,306
He hasn't recovered, you know?
267
00:14:56,473 --> 00:14:58,140
I'm not going to bother you, don't worry.
268
00:14:58,474 --> 00:15:01,098
It happened a long time ago, it's in the past.
269
00:15:27,890 --> 00:15:29,140
It's nice...
270
00:15:29,515 --> 00:15:30,765
...the new kitchen tile.
271
00:15:30,932 --> 00:15:32,432
It's not new...
272
00:15:33,224 --> 00:15:34,599
...is at least 10 years old.
273
00:15:35,140 --> 00:15:36,006
Take.
274
00:15:40,557 --> 00:15:41,599
Idiot...
275
00:15:43,140 --> 00:15:44,307
...imbecile...
276
00:15:45,140 --> 00:15:47,599
What an idiot, damn...
277
00:15:48,390 --> 00:15:49,724
What a fucking idiot!
278
00:15:49,807 --> 00:15:52,724
I should have given him
chocolates filled with shit.
279
00:15:53,182 --> 00:15:56,057
"Here, they don't have sugar,
They're shit."
280
00:15:57,849 --> 00:15:59,140
Will you see it?
281
00:15:59,224 --> 00:16:01,100
Yes, I'll see him if he wants to see me.
282
00:16:01,183 --> 00:16:02,515
And what are you going to tell him?
283
00:16:02,599 --> 00:16:04,266
I will pass on your request.
284
00:16:04,432 --> 00:16:06,725
In your own words.
285
00:16:07,683 --> 00:16:08,933
I have chocolates...
286
00:16:09,016 --> 00:16:10,432
- ...do you want to?
- No, thanks.
287
00:16:12,515 --> 00:16:13,807
They don't have much sugar, right?
288
00:16:14,266 --> 00:16:15,558
Okay, thank you very much.
289
00:16:15,724 --> 00:16:16,766
After.
290
00:16:18,182 --> 00:16:21,307
Making a request means returning
with an answer.
291
00:16:21,391 --> 00:16:23,849
May you receive an answer.
292
00:16:24,724 --> 00:16:27,391
If you accept, how will you react?
293
00:16:28,766 --> 00:16:30,433
Well I think I'll be relieved.
294
00:16:30,891 --> 00:16:33,225
Because we can solve
all this...
295
00:16:33,725 --> 00:16:36,225
...and I will be less afraid
to always cross my path.
296
00:16:37,141 --> 00:16:38,308
But maybe not.
297
00:16:38,975 --> 00:16:40,766
Maybe I'll start to have
very scared...
298
00:16:41,558 --> 00:16:43,558
...and I become totally insomniac...
299
00:16:43,641 --> 00:16:45,933
...more insomniac than usual.
300
00:16:48,558 --> 00:16:51,975
But I think it will be worse
For my stress if he refuses.
301
00:16:52,350 --> 00:16:54,225
I will never be able to fall asleep.
302
00:16:55,101 --> 00:16:57,267
Will you not be able to fall asleep?
303
00:16:57,350 --> 00:16:58,350
No.
304
00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:03,891
When it stopped, it took me more than a year
sleep a whole night.
305
00:17:03,975 --> 00:17:06,433
Because I didn't know
that was going to stop forever.
306
00:17:07,642 --> 00:17:09,434
I hoped it would happen again.
307
00:17:09,683 --> 00:17:10,933
It always happened again.
308
00:17:12,601 --> 00:17:14,101
When he talks about fear...
309
00:17:14,683 --> 00:17:16,558
...what exactly do you mean?
310
00:17:16,642 --> 00:17:19,933
I'm not afraid to see him
because I am afraid that he will attack me.
311
00:17:20,558 --> 00:17:22,017
In fact, he doesn't scare me.
312
00:17:22,892 --> 00:17:24,308
I'm just afraid of...
313
00:17:29,641 --> 00:17:30,642
I don't know.
314
00:17:31,392 --> 00:17:34,517
This dialogue you want to start
with Mr. Delarme...
315
00:17:34,601 --> 00:17:37,184
...it doesn't have to be
a face to face.
316
00:17:37,267 --> 00:17:39,392
There are other ways to dialogue:
317
00:17:39,476 --> 00:17:42,934
...by phone, by letter,
by videoconference...
318
00:17:43,017 --> 00:17:44,351
No, but I want to see him.
319
00:17:44,767 --> 00:17:45,767
It's important.
320
00:17:47,143 --> 00:17:49,018
Why is it important to you?
321
00:17:49,643 --> 00:17:50,726
Don't know.
322
00:17:51,892 --> 00:17:53,601
I feel it is necessary.
323
00:17:54,935 --> 00:17:56,810
Hello, my name is Judith...
324
00:17:56,892 --> 00:18:00,226
...I am a lawyer from the support association
to the victims of the department...
325
00:18:00,602 --> 00:18:03,767
...and trained mediator
in restorative justice.
326
00:18:03,851 --> 00:18:06,601
Is this a good time?
Is it good for you to talk now?
327
00:18:08,892 --> 00:18:11,185
Mrs. Chloé Delarme
has contacted us.
328
00:18:12,392 --> 00:18:16,852
Last October 8th it began
a restorative mediation process.
329
00:18:17,934 --> 00:18:21,893
Wants: "To have the opportunity
to talk to you...
330
00:18:22,351 --> 00:18:25,268
...to reach agreements regarding
to certain organizational aspects...
331
00:18:25,352 --> 00:18:28,935
...that make your daily life easier
in the same space...
332
00:18:29,018 --> 00:18:30,227
...without meeting each other".
333
00:18:33,643 --> 00:18:34,602
Mister?
334
00:18:37,477 --> 00:18:39,102
Sorry, I didn't hear you.
335
00:18:39,643 --> 00:18:41,518
Do the victims
why do they want to do this?
336
00:18:41,602 --> 00:18:43,018
What do you think?
337
00:18:43,185 --> 00:18:45,477
Why do you think they come?
338
00:18:46,477 --> 00:18:47,977
In case we are sorry?
339
00:18:50,727 --> 00:18:52,352
To accuse us...
340
00:18:53,393 --> 00:18:54,935
...and tell us that we are guilty?
341
00:18:56,768 --> 00:18:58,518
How would you feel if they told you that?
342
00:18:59,268 --> 00:19:00,268
That I am guilty?
343
00:19:01,977 --> 00:19:03,018
Because it's true.
344
00:19:03,393 --> 00:19:05,227
Sometimes victims are angry.
345
00:19:06,394 --> 00:19:08,518
If they talk to you harshly...
346
00:19:08,977 --> 00:19:10,268
...how do you think you will react?
347
00:19:11,602 --> 00:19:12,603
If they tell you:
348
00:19:13,143 --> 00:19:16,394
"Yes, what you have done is...
349
00:19:17,435 --> 00:19:18,644
It's not...
350
00:19:19,352 --> 00:19:20,228
It is not done..."
351
00:19:20,310 --> 00:19:23,936
"They don't respect others,
They do not respect human life.
352
00:19:24,102 --> 00:19:25,561
They are selfish, cowards...
353
00:19:25,643 --> 00:19:27,477
...they think they are ruffians,
But they are not men."
354
00:19:27,561 --> 00:19:28,435
"Yes, that's right...
355
00:19:30,018 --> 00:19:33,186
...they do not take into consideration
to others, it's a shame.
356
00:19:33,269 --> 00:19:35,269
"I think they have not punished him
enough.
357
00:19:35,686 --> 00:19:37,436
Because you had a choice,
I didn't have it!
358
00:19:37,769 --> 00:19:40,186
You are going out!
They sentenced me to life!
359
00:19:40,269 --> 00:19:42,103
It's for life,
It's not going to be fixed."
360
00:19:42,561 --> 00:19:45,519
They have the right to say that.
I have nothing to answer.
361
00:19:45,686 --> 00:19:46,978
Maybe they won't tell you that.
362
00:19:47,144 --> 00:19:49,186
- No, of course not.
- But it can happen.
363
00:19:49,353 --> 00:19:51,228
We want you to be prepared.
364
00:19:55,769 --> 00:19:59,019
On Thursday do you think you will have energy
for an interview after salsa?
365
00:19:59,936 --> 00:20:02,478
Maybe there is a gap
for Mrs. Benoît...
366
00:20:02,644 --> 00:20:04,228
...between 7:30 p.m. and 8:30 p.m.
367
00:20:04,311 --> 00:20:07,479
So I'll leave you in sauce, I'll wait for you...
368
00:20:07,936 --> 00:20:08,978
...and then we leave.
369
00:20:09,062 --> 00:20:11,394
How do you squeeze...
My boyfriend is going to kill me.
370
00:20:12,270 --> 00:20:13,520
Martine doesn't tell you anything?
371
00:20:14,145 --> 00:20:15,144
Mine is already fed up.
372
00:20:38,937 --> 00:20:40,354
- Mr. Delarme?
- Yes.
373
00:20:40,770 --> 00:20:41,895
Judith.
374
00:20:41,979 --> 00:20:43,104
Delighted.
375
00:20:45,479 --> 00:20:47,354
- Can you hear me well?
- Very good.
376
00:20:47,437 --> 00:20:50,979
I've been with Benjamin,
Chloé's older brother, my victim.
377
00:20:51,062 --> 00:20:52,145
I hear you.
378
00:20:52,312 --> 00:20:54,687
He says he agrees
by participating in the process.
379
00:20:55,645 --> 00:20:57,854
Even if it surprises you
that she doesn't want to cross paths with him.
380
00:20:57,937 --> 00:20:59,520
You want to understand why.
381
00:20:59,854 --> 00:21:02,187
And also why she reported him.
382
00:21:02,438 --> 00:21:03,604
That hurt him.
383
00:21:04,229 --> 00:21:06,604
He says he didn't know she didn't want to.
384
00:21:06,687 --> 00:21:08,063
"She never said no."
385
00:21:08,688 --> 00:21:11,020
He says he never forced her.
386
00:21:11,105 --> 00:21:12,020
It says...
387
00:21:12,187 --> 00:21:13,479
...he was also small then...
388
00:21:13,562 --> 00:21:16,188
...and that I was not aware
that all that could be a problem.
389
00:21:16,270 --> 00:21:20,480
Now he lives with his girlfriend,
a young woman originally from the Antilles.
390
00:21:20,645 --> 00:21:22,312
They want to have a child.
391
00:21:22,396 --> 00:21:24,770
They have a professional project together.
392
00:21:31,105 --> 00:21:32,021
I continue...
393
00:21:33,021 --> 00:21:34,688
- Crushed.
- Narrow?
394
00:21:35,563 --> 00:21:36,855
Not at all...
395
00:21:36,937 --> 00:21:40,188
Narrow? Not only does it not fit,
but also...
396
00:21:40,855 --> 00:21:42,396
...we are looking for a present participle.
397
00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:44,521
Do you know how to play
to crossword puzzles?
398
00:21:44,605 --> 00:21:46,355
Hey, it does fit!
399
00:21:46,771 --> 00:21:48,188
ES-TRE...
400
00:21:48,271 --> 00:21:49,105
...CHO.
401
00:21:50,438 --> 00:21:51,981
It doesn't fit.
402
00:21:52,730 --> 00:21:53,605
Thank you.
403
00:21:54,772 --> 00:21:56,396
Thank you. It's incredible...
The popcorn...
404
00:21:56,563 --> 00:21:57,730
...they are a pest!
405
00:22:01,647 --> 00:22:02,939
Michael...
406
00:22:03,896 --> 00:22:05,605
...you are an exceptional being.
407
00:22:06,356 --> 00:22:08,313
- Do you know?
- Of course.
408
00:22:08,897 --> 00:22:11,397
Also do you think you make love well?
409
00:22:11,939 --> 00:22:14,605
You should ask Martine,
but I think I defend myself.
410
00:22:14,688 --> 00:22:15,646
I'm sure.
411
00:22:15,813 --> 00:22:16,731
Is this chair free?
412
00:22:16,896 --> 00:22:18,189
- Judith!
- Sit down.
413
00:22:18,522 --> 00:22:19,646
What do you want to drink?
414
00:22:19,814 --> 00:22:20,896
A glass of wine.
415
00:22:21,689 --> 00:22:22,522
White.
416
00:22:22,897 --> 00:22:25,230
A glass of white wine, please.
417
00:22:28,105 --> 00:22:30,313
He's my boyfriend. I have told you
Don't wait for me for dinner.
418
00:22:30,481 --> 00:22:31,481
Do they walk regularly?
419
00:22:32,564 --> 00:22:33,772
We don't like him.
420
00:22:33,856 --> 00:22:36,106
No, but even though my house
It wasn't a battlefield...
421
00:22:36,188 --> 00:22:38,439
...I couldn't go back directly,
I need a break.
422
00:22:38,522 --> 00:22:39,689
Thank you, sir.
423
00:22:39,856 --> 00:22:41,022
Have you seen the brother?
424
00:22:41,189 --> 00:22:42,272
It's true! How are you?
425
00:22:42,731 --> 00:22:43,564
So well...
426
00:22:44,397 --> 00:22:45,897
...it's complicated, but it's gone well.
427
00:22:46,606 --> 00:22:48,397
Weren't you very nervous?
428
00:22:48,647 --> 00:22:50,064
That?
No, I don't think so, why?
429
00:22:50,147 --> 00:22:53,147
Because I have a bad time
with sexual offenders.
430
00:22:53,314 --> 00:22:55,607
I don't have a bad time with thieves
not even with the murderers...
431
00:22:55,772 --> 00:22:58,022
...I can even take
very good with them...
432
00:22:58,107 --> 00:22:59,606
...but with rapists...
433
00:23:00,189 --> 00:23:03,107
I don't know if I could do
restorative justice with them.
434
00:23:03,272 --> 00:23:05,439
I'll watch myself next time and tell you.
435
00:23:05,607 --> 00:23:07,356
- For you!
- For you!
436
00:23:08,107 --> 00:23:09,398
For us, friends!
437
00:23:25,398 --> 00:23:26,397
Hello!
438
00:23:26,981 --> 00:23:29,690
Judith, delighted. I'm from the team
restorative justice.
439
00:23:29,773 --> 00:23:31,232
Grégoire, delighted.
440
00:23:31,315 --> 00:23:32,232
Hello.
441
00:23:58,274 --> 00:23:59,440
Hello, Judith.
442
00:24:00,232 --> 00:24:02,482
Nawelle, meet Judith,
work with us.
443
00:24:02,565 --> 00:24:03,608
Hello, Sabine.
444
00:24:06,315 --> 00:24:07,649
Hello, Grégoire, how are you?
445
00:24:07,732 --> 00:24:08,732
Fine, thanks.
446
00:24:08,899 --> 00:24:09,732
Leave.
447
00:25:01,858 --> 00:25:04,649
Meet Yvette...
448
00:25:04,816 --> 00:25:05,692
...and Cyril.
449
00:25:06,609 --> 00:25:08,691
They will be present
in all meetings.
450
00:25:08,858 --> 00:25:11,774
This is where they will take place
plenary meetings...
451
00:25:12,192 --> 00:25:13,775
...starting next week.
452
00:25:14,358 --> 00:25:15,441
Do you want some water?
453
00:25:15,608 --> 00:25:17,066
There is also coffee.
454
00:25:17,234 --> 00:25:19,359
- I want a coffee, please.
- Me too.
455
00:25:19,442 --> 00:25:20,483
A coffee.
456
00:25:20,650 --> 00:25:22,234
Sabine? Do you want something?
457
00:25:22,317 --> 00:25:23,525
No, thanks.
458
00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:26,692
I want a glass of water, please.
459
00:25:43,358 --> 00:25:46,317
I went to a psychologist for a year
and it felt good to me.
460
00:25:47,150 --> 00:25:48,442
I sleep better, for example.
461
00:25:50,525 --> 00:25:51,400
But...
462
00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:55,192
...this pain, this wound
that I have deep inside me...
463
00:25:56,609 --> 00:25:57,942
...I think it can't be cured.
464
00:25:58,109 --> 00:25:59,775
And nobody understands it.
465
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:02,525
So it's over,
I try not to tell what happened to me.
466
00:26:02,692 --> 00:26:04,109
Me too...
467
00:26:04,192 --> 00:26:06,942
...I don't count anything either.
Not even my husband.
468
00:26:07,025 --> 00:26:08,693
And my husband is wonderful.
469
00:26:09,234 --> 00:26:11,443
And my children don't understand
Why am I taking this step?
470
00:26:11,609 --> 00:26:13,943
They are afraid that he will relapse.
That it falls on what?
471
00:26:14,026 --> 00:26:14,985
Well, yes.
472
00:26:15,067 --> 00:26:17,985
- I live it every day, it doesn't go away.
- But not.
473
00:26:18,775 --> 00:26:20,276
I live it like a combat.
474
00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:22,025
With respect, but...
475
00:26:22,193 --> 00:26:24,235
For me these people
He has an empty heart.
476
00:26:24,651 --> 00:26:26,860
They do horrible things
and then they say...
477
00:26:26,942 --> 00:26:29,110
...that they had no choice,
that poverty...
478
00:26:29,985 --> 00:26:32,860
Don't say these kinds of things
because I don't buy it...
479
00:26:33,192 --> 00:26:34,526
...I would be unable to hear it.
480
00:26:35,151 --> 00:26:36,151
You are angry.
481
00:26:36,318 --> 00:26:38,568
Clear. Aren't you angry?
482
00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:41,401
Don't know.
483
00:26:44,943 --> 00:26:46,068
I'm going to get coffee...
484
00:26:46,151 --> 00:26:47,401
- ...do you want?
- No, thanks.
485
00:26:47,568 --> 00:26:48,693
I want one.
486
00:26:49,276 --> 00:26:50,443
I wanted to tell you...
487
00:26:51,110 --> 00:26:53,276
...than when I've seen him before
in the car...
488
00:26:53,735 --> 00:26:56,069
...I thought you
He was one of the criminals.
489
00:26:57,944 --> 00:26:59,610
I was scared, I'm sorry.
490
00:26:59,777 --> 00:27:00,651
No problem.
491
00:27:00,736 --> 00:27:03,651
I don't know why I had imagined
that there would only be women.
492
00:27:04,985 --> 00:27:06,361
It's good that there is a man.
493
00:27:07,110 --> 00:27:08,401
It will protect us.
494
00:27:08,943 --> 00:27:11,610
How are they going to dress?
I've been thinking about it for days.
495
00:27:11,776 --> 00:27:12,902
- Yes, me too.
- Yeah?
496
00:27:13,068 --> 00:27:15,901
We are very bad...
I don't know why we worry about that.
497
00:27:25,402 --> 00:27:26,444
Shall we eat there?
498
00:27:26,736 --> 00:27:27,611
No.
499
00:27:28,277 --> 00:27:29,902
Don't you want to go to a restaurant?
500
00:27:30,069 --> 00:27:31,444
No, I brought soup.
501
00:27:33,277 --> 00:27:34,360
You go.
502
00:27:37,027 --> 00:27:38,236
Is your back good?
503
00:27:38,486 --> 00:27:40,194
Yes I'm fine.
504
00:27:41,777 --> 00:27:43,069
Are you tired or what's wrong?
505
00:27:43,986 --> 00:27:45,986
A little, but I'm fine.
506
00:27:47,402 --> 00:27:49,069
Today I'm going to leave early.
507
00:27:51,402 --> 00:27:53,611
Mr Delarme agrees to participate
in the process.
508
00:27:54,569 --> 00:27:57,777
You agree to establish
a dialogue of any kind.
509
00:27:57,861 --> 00:28:00,069
He wants to talk to you.
510
00:28:00,444 --> 00:28:02,027
And he also wants to ask you things.
511
00:28:03,527 --> 00:28:05,278
- Do you want to ask me things?
- Yes.
512
00:28:10,402 --> 00:28:11,402
Okay...
513
00:28:12,694 --> 00:28:14,902
How do you feel when you receive this response?
514
00:28:15,236 --> 00:28:16,570
I remember...
515
00:28:16,736 --> 00:28:18,611
...that last time
that we had contact...
516
00:28:18,695 --> 00:28:19,902
...it was through the notary...
517
00:28:19,987 --> 00:28:21,237
...when our mother died.
518
00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:23,695
We agreed
to renounce the inheritance.
519
00:28:24,112 --> 00:28:26,028
Do you want to tell me something else?
520
00:28:26,111 --> 00:28:27,487
About what? About inheritance?
521
00:28:27,570 --> 00:28:30,028
Because there wasn't.
522
00:28:30,486 --> 00:28:31,570
There were only debts.
523
00:28:32,195 --> 00:28:34,569
My poor mother had it so bad...
524
00:28:36,278 --> 00:28:38,070
She had Benjamin very young.
525
00:28:38,153 --> 00:28:41,070
And his father left right away.
My father raised him.
526
00:28:41,612 --> 00:28:42,986
And it wasn't easy.
527
00:28:43,362 --> 00:28:44,653
I wasn't at home much.
528
00:28:44,737 --> 00:28:46,445
My father is a salesman.
529
00:28:47,195 --> 00:28:50,653
And with Benjamin
There was a lot of tension, shouting...
530
00:28:51,362 --> 00:28:52,988
Except when we did it.
531
00:28:53,737 --> 00:28:55,237
I realized it.
532
00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:57,862
When we did it, after
At home things were going well.
533
00:28:58,403 --> 00:29:00,362
Benjamin was kind to my mother...
534
00:29:01,903 --> 00:29:03,112
But, if not...
535
00:29:04,695 --> 00:29:06,487
She didn't know how to do it.
536
00:29:06,570 --> 00:29:10,488
He took a lot of medication, he stayed
in bed when my father was leaving.
537
00:29:12,862 --> 00:29:14,321
Sometimes, thank goodness
that my brother was...
538
00:29:14,487 --> 00:29:16,779
...otherwise I would have eaten cookies
at all meals.
539
00:29:18,071 --> 00:29:19,737
And he didn't go to trial...
540
00:29:20,278 --> 00:29:22,029
...because I didn't know
Whose side was he on?
541
00:29:24,904 --> 00:29:26,653
I'll never know what she knew.
542
00:29:28,071 --> 00:29:30,362
If he knew what was happening at home.
543
00:29:31,653 --> 00:29:33,404
Right in the next room.
544
00:29:34,863 --> 00:29:36,612
Did you see anything?
545
00:29:38,363 --> 00:29:39,613
What do you believe?
546
00:29:45,696 --> 00:29:47,696
One night my brother went out
from my room.
547
00:29:48,488 --> 00:29:52,071
He went to his room in silence.
and I heard my mother's voice:
548
00:29:53,571 --> 00:29:54,988
"What are you doing?"
549
00:29:55,364 --> 00:29:57,779
He answered: "I couldn't sleep."
550
00:29:58,321 --> 00:30:00,446
The next day
They were talking in the kitchen.
551
00:30:00,529 --> 00:30:03,071
I walked in and they stopped talking.
552
00:30:04,404 --> 00:30:07,572
Who is up to date in your environment
of the step you have taken?
553
00:30:07,654 --> 00:30:09,529
Nobody. I don't feel like talking.
554
00:30:09,696 --> 00:30:11,280
I don't want to worry them.
555
00:30:12,029 --> 00:30:14,571
to my father
I could have an attack again.
556
00:30:15,114 --> 00:30:17,280
Have you used the services
from a paying friend?
557
00:30:17,446 --> 00:30:19,197
What is a "paying friend"?
558
00:30:19,529 --> 00:30:21,779
Yeah that's what we call them
between us.
559
00:30:22,572 --> 00:30:24,863
I shouldn't say it like that,
but he is a psychologist.
560
00:30:26,655 --> 00:30:27,738
A psychologist!
561
00:30:27,989 --> 00:30:29,780
No, I'm not going to the psychologist.
562
00:30:30,489 --> 00:30:32,530
"A paid friend" is not bad.
563
00:30:32,696 --> 00:30:33,739
Yes, not bad.
564
00:30:38,363 --> 00:30:41,530
Mr Delarme says it is very bad
for two weeks now.
565
00:30:41,905 --> 00:30:44,946
From our first interview
Things have come to light:
566
00:30:45,030 --> 00:30:46,197
...the trial...
567
00:30:46,447 --> 00:30:47,614
...prison...
568
00:30:48,155 --> 00:30:50,197
"They treated me like a rapist.
569
00:30:50,905 --> 00:30:52,905
They called me a pedophile..."
570
00:30:54,864 --> 00:30:56,947
He says he has a normal sexuality.
571
00:30:57,030 --> 00:30:59,280
He says he never forced her.
572
00:30:59,615 --> 00:31:01,989
He says he feels that his sister
has suffered...
573
00:31:02,072 --> 00:31:04,031
...but he has also suffered a lot.
574
00:31:04,405 --> 00:31:05,489
Both have suffered.
575
00:31:33,365 --> 00:31:34,780
There are two doors.
576
00:31:35,365 --> 00:31:38,281
A door that leads to prison
and another outside.
577
00:31:39,155 --> 00:31:41,615
They will enter through the door
that leads to jail...
578
00:31:42,198 --> 00:31:44,031
...and they will sit on the three chairs.
579
00:31:44,531 --> 00:31:46,198
Which chair would you like to sit in?
580
00:31:46,990 --> 00:31:47,990
I don't know. Here...
581
00:31:49,156 --> 00:31:51,615
When they enter,
the victims will already be sitting...
582
00:31:51,781 --> 00:31:52,656
...here.
583
00:31:52,823 --> 00:31:54,698
How would you like to greet them?
584
00:31:54,948 --> 00:31:55,865
I don't know.
585
00:31:56,031 --> 00:31:58,365
For example, there are victims
who don't want to shake hands.
586
00:31:58,948 --> 00:32:01,948
I don't want to shake their hands either,
I'll just shake my head at them.
587
00:32:02,698 --> 00:32:05,531
I made a chocolate cake,
everyone usually likes it.
588
00:32:06,531 --> 00:32:07,781
It looks good.
589
00:32:07,949 --> 00:32:10,198
I'm going to tell everything right away,
at the first meeting.
590
00:32:10,281 --> 00:32:12,073
So I let it go and I stay calm.
591
00:32:36,531 --> 00:32:37,574
Hello.
592
00:32:41,282 --> 00:32:43,699
Hello everyone, welcome.
593
00:32:44,157 --> 00:32:45,699
Thank you very much for being here.
594
00:32:46,366 --> 00:32:49,157
This is where we are going to meet...
595
00:32:49,241 --> 00:32:53,450
...every Tuesday for five weeks,
in three-hour meetings.
596
00:32:54,075 --> 00:32:57,532
And two months later
We will have an information meeting.
597
00:32:58,574 --> 00:33:00,241
This is the staff of the word.
598
00:33:00,991 --> 00:33:03,824
Whoever wants to speak...
599
00:33:03,991 --> 00:33:06,449
...you must do it by asking and taking
this cane.
600
00:33:06,532 --> 00:33:10,658
Your intervention ends
when they return it to the center...
601
00:33:10,824 --> 00:33:12,407
...or give it to another participant.
602
00:33:12,825 --> 00:33:16,157
We are excited and very happy
to be with you...
603
00:33:16,242 --> 00:33:17,949
...and to start these meetings.
604
00:33:18,574 --> 00:33:22,616
It has been very important for us
accompany them during these months...
605
00:33:23,075 --> 00:33:25,824
...and we want to thank you
for your trust.
606
00:33:27,450 --> 00:33:29,616
Well, they already know us...
607
00:33:29,700 --> 00:33:33,324
...but they don't know
to community members...
608
00:33:33,492 --> 00:33:35,491
...I'm going to let them introduce themselves.
609
00:33:36,908 --> 00:33:41,200
Hello everyone, my name is Yvette.
I am 62 years old.
610
00:33:41,617 --> 00:33:45,824
I worked for a long time
in human resources of a company.
611
00:33:46,325 --> 00:33:48,408
I am also a prison visitor.
612
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:51,950
As a community volunteer...
613
00:33:52,242 --> 00:33:55,075
...I'm here to hear you,
to listen to them...
614
00:33:55,158 --> 00:33:57,701
...to accompany them, to support them...
615
00:33:57,783 --> 00:33:59,533
...unconditionally.
616
00:34:00,117 --> 00:34:01,492
Thank you, Yvette.
617
00:34:01,658 --> 00:34:02,491
Cyril?
618
00:34:02,533 --> 00:34:05,243
Hello. My name is Cyril, I am 41 years old...
619
00:34:05,325 --> 00:34:07,242
...I'm a prop man.
620
00:34:07,409 --> 00:34:09,200
I am a volunteer, like Yvette.
621
00:34:09,284 --> 00:34:13,076
And, like her, I come to listen to them
and to support them during these meetings.
622
00:34:13,158 --> 00:34:15,283
I want to tell you...
623
00:34:15,367 --> 00:34:17,701
...that society
He cares about you.
624
00:34:18,284 --> 00:34:20,826
He is interested in you.
625
00:34:21,075 --> 00:34:23,701
I haven't explained myself well, but well...
626
00:34:24,117 --> 00:34:25,243
That's all.
627
00:34:25,658 --> 00:34:29,576
Let's start introducing ourselves...
628
00:34:29,868 --> 00:34:32,451
...and to explain
why did they want to participate...
629
00:34:32,533 --> 00:34:34,450
...on this device
restorative justice...
630
00:34:35,534 --> 00:34:37,242
...what are their motivations...
631
00:34:37,993 --> 00:34:39,409
...and also your expectations.
632
00:34:40,408 --> 00:34:41,701
Who wants to start?
633
00:34:41,784 --> 00:34:42,617
EXPECTATIONS
634
00:34:51,784 --> 00:34:53,076
My name is Nawelle.
635
00:34:53,909 --> 00:34:55,077
I'm 39 years old...
636
00:34:55,159 --> 00:34:56,327
...five years ago they attacked me...
637
00:34:56,409 --> 00:34:58,159
...in the supermarket
in which he worked.
638
00:34:59,201 --> 00:35:00,702
I don't expect anything from you.
639
00:35:01,784 --> 00:35:02,659
I'm here to tell you...
640
00:35:02,826 --> 00:35:05,326
...what happens to the victims
when they do these things...
641
00:35:05,410 --> 00:35:08,284
...to understand how they spoil
people's lives...
642
00:35:08,368 --> 00:35:10,119
...how they destroy lives.
643
00:35:10,284 --> 00:35:11,619
For money...
644
00:35:11,702 --> 00:35:13,159
...to entertain them...
645
00:35:13,409 --> 00:35:14,618
...for I don't know what.
646
00:35:15,119 --> 00:35:17,409
When they attack someone,
There is not only one victim...
647
00:35:17,493 --> 00:35:18,827
...there are other victims behind...
648
00:35:18,910 --> 00:35:21,369
...there are families, couples, children...
649
00:35:21,534 --> 00:35:23,494
I would like you to understand that.
650
00:35:24,368 --> 00:35:27,285
And I also feel like
to listen to other victims.
651
00:35:28,034 --> 00:35:31,077
Our meeting last time
It suited me well.
652
00:35:31,577 --> 00:35:35,576
Being able to talk to you,
with people who understand what I'm talking about.
653
00:35:36,910 --> 00:35:39,034
I'm tired of being a burden
for my family.
654
00:35:39,202 --> 00:35:40,827
They have done everything they can...
655
00:35:41,285 --> 00:35:43,119
...they have taken great care of me, but...
656
00:35:44,619 --> 00:35:46,244
But it's not their turn anymore
to them to strive.
657
00:35:48,410 --> 00:35:49,869
I'm the one who has to get over it...
658
00:35:50,410 --> 00:35:51,702
...and I'm here for that.
659
00:35:58,660 --> 00:36:02,327
I'm Grégoire, I'm 46 years old.
I am a sheet metal worker.
660
00:36:04,577 --> 00:36:07,660
More than three years ago they entered
in my house with my daughter and I inside.
661
00:36:08,869 --> 00:36:11,536
I'm here to understand why
the authors take action...
662
00:36:12,952 --> 00:36:15,119
...and above all to help them
to not do it again.
663
00:36:17,495 --> 00:36:18,745
I don't like prison...
664
00:36:19,119 --> 00:36:20,744
...I think it's useless.
665
00:36:21,077 --> 00:36:23,244
It has always seemed horrible to me
see people...
666
00:36:23,786 --> 00:36:25,828
...get out of jail even worse
that how he entered.
667
00:36:25,911 --> 00:36:27,703
So it doesn't seem like a solution to me.
668
00:36:28,411 --> 00:36:29,494
Also...
669
00:36:30,452 --> 00:36:31,702
...I'm fed up too...
670
00:36:32,327 --> 00:36:34,411
...of not recovering from what happened to me.
671
00:36:35,410 --> 00:36:37,078
I've tried everything...
672
00:36:37,870 --> 00:36:38,995
...many things...
673
00:36:39,995 --> 00:36:41,410
...to be able to turn the page...
674
00:36:42,745 --> 00:36:43,786
...but I can't get it.
675
00:36:46,161 --> 00:36:47,536
I'm not like before...
676
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:51,661
...my life is not like before.
677
00:36:54,245 --> 00:36:56,370
In short: it was better before.
678
00:37:10,286 --> 00:37:11,245
Thank you.
679
00:37:12,161 --> 00:37:13,745
My name is Issa...
680
00:37:13,828 --> 00:37:15,204
...I'm 25 years old.
681
00:37:15,578 --> 00:37:17,161
I robbed a store...
682
00:37:18,203 --> 00:37:19,453
...I've been in prison for four years.
683
00:37:19,620 --> 00:37:22,621
I'm here
because I want to fix my life.
684
00:37:23,662 --> 00:37:25,703
I want to go out and be with my wife...
685
00:37:26,162 --> 00:37:27,287
...she is pregnant.
686
00:37:28,078 --> 00:37:29,661
I don't want to go back to violence.
687
00:37:30,204 --> 00:37:33,786
Victims may be helped
to answer your questions.
688
00:37:47,662 --> 00:37:49,078
My name is Sabine.
689
00:37:49,829 --> 00:37:52,246
I was the victim of a purse grab
on the street...
690
00:37:52,329 --> 00:37:53,746
...he was 64 years old.
691
00:37:54,162 --> 00:37:55,496
It was seven years ago.
692
00:37:56,537 --> 00:37:58,246
A motorcycle passed by...
693
00:37:58,329 --> 00:38:00,038
...with the intention
of stealing my bag...
694
00:38:00,663 --> 00:38:02,412
...and dragged me down the sidewalk.
695
00:38:03,037 --> 00:38:05,287
That unbalanced the bike...
696
00:38:05,663 --> 00:38:08,287
...the thief fell,
I was very angry.
697
00:38:09,246 --> 00:38:13,455
He kicked my hands,
in my arms... He insulted me a lot.
698
00:38:14,246 --> 00:38:16,913
After that,
I had many health problems.
699
00:38:16,996 --> 00:38:19,163
I was hospitalized for two months.
700
00:38:19,246 --> 00:38:21,829
There were complications, many.
701
00:38:22,538 --> 00:38:25,413
I am here because I want to understand
this violence.
702
00:38:26,412 --> 00:38:27,746
I don't understand it...
703
00:38:29,413 --> 00:38:31,538
...I don't understand this violence.
704
00:38:31,705 --> 00:38:33,371
I don't understand youth anymore...
705
00:38:33,455 --> 00:38:36,330
...violence everywhere,
violence in words.
706
00:38:36,413 --> 00:38:38,538
I have the impression that I am coming
from another planet.
707
00:38:38,954 --> 00:38:40,705
I don't want to be afraid anymore.
708
00:38:42,038 --> 00:38:43,705
I want him to stay behind.
709
00:38:44,912 --> 00:38:46,162
That's it.
710
00:38:47,205 --> 00:38:48,247
I leave it here.
711
00:38:59,413 --> 00:39:01,205
My name is Thomas.
712
00:39:01,372 --> 00:39:03,956
I have done a lot of stupid things
for years.
713
00:39:05,372 --> 00:39:06,997
I am 44 years old.
714
00:39:07,330 --> 00:39:09,289
I spent 19 years in prison.
715
00:39:09,581 --> 00:39:10,622
In total.
716
00:39:11,622 --> 00:39:14,122
Basically, my personal balance...
717
00:39:15,122 --> 00:39:16,247
...it's sinister.
718
00:39:18,414 --> 00:39:20,248
I have always destroyed everything.
719
00:39:21,831 --> 00:39:24,289
I want to participate in this...
720
00:39:25,997 --> 00:39:27,622
...because for the first time...
721
00:39:28,205 --> 00:39:29,623
...I'm going to try not to come back here.
722
00:39:31,498 --> 00:39:34,081
I want to try to do
something positive.
723
00:39:34,373 --> 00:39:35,747
For once in my life.
724
00:39:37,456 --> 00:39:41,123
I want to answer all your
questions, and if it helps...
725
00:39:42,373 --> 00:39:43,830
...that will be enough.
726
00:39:57,331 --> 00:40:00,539
I have been in prison for nine years.
In principle I will leave soon.
727
00:40:01,081 --> 00:40:02,582
I robbed a home.
728
00:40:03,289 --> 00:40:05,998
I'm here to meet victims
and try to understand them better.
729
00:40:06,581 --> 00:40:08,373
I want to keep going out
of my shell.
730
00:40:12,249 --> 00:40:14,414
Thank you very much...
731
00:40:14,706 --> 00:40:16,123
...to each of you.
732
00:40:16,873 --> 00:40:19,832
Is there anyone who wants
take the floor first...
733
00:40:19,914 --> 00:40:21,415
...to tell your story?
734
00:40:34,540 --> 00:40:36,707
She was a cashier at a small supermarket.
735
00:40:40,790 --> 00:40:41,749
One day...
736
00:40:42,789 --> 00:40:44,499
...almost at closing time...
737
00:40:45,374 --> 00:40:47,540
...a man came in
who was dressed in black.
738
00:40:48,207 --> 00:40:51,249
Balaclava, gloves,
aviator glasses
739
00:40:51,790 --> 00:40:53,414
Glasses with mirror glass.
740
00:40:55,291 --> 00:40:58,249
Nothing was seen,
not even the color of his skin.
741
00:40:59,915 --> 00:41:02,999
He was carrying a gun,
He said it was an assault.
742
00:41:03,082 --> 00:41:04,624
I was very surprised...
743
00:41:05,374 --> 00:41:06,707
...I said: "But, what's going on?"
744
00:41:07,500 --> 00:41:10,749
I didn't realize it at the time,
But I said it out loud.
745
00:41:11,332 --> 00:41:12,749
It escaped me accidentally.
746
00:41:15,082 --> 00:41:16,500
He headed towards me...
747
00:41:18,125 --> 00:41:20,540
...he put the gun between my eyes.
Right here.
748
00:41:21,250 --> 00:41:22,541
He said, "Don't you understand?"
749
00:41:23,500 --> 00:41:25,082
I saw myself reflected in his glasses.
750
00:41:25,666 --> 00:41:26,999
My face...
751
00:41:27,416 --> 00:41:29,165
...with the gun between my eyes.
752
00:41:29,625 --> 00:41:31,124
I thought he was going to kill me.
753
00:41:31,500 --> 00:41:33,083
I thought my time had come.
754
00:41:34,125 --> 00:41:36,124
He put his hand on my shoulder...
755
00:41:36,958 --> 00:41:38,915
...and he slowly pushed me to the ground.
756
00:41:39,708 --> 00:41:41,082
He turned to my partner...
757
00:41:41,666 --> 00:41:43,875
...he pointed at him and told him
to throw himself on the ground.
758
00:41:44,041 --> 00:41:47,625
The manager came from the back
from the store, pointed the gun at him...
759
00:41:47,791 --> 00:41:50,041
...and asked him for the week's money.
They went behind.
760
00:41:50,208 --> 00:41:52,083
I saw the bottom part of my box:
761
00:41:52,541 --> 00:41:53,833
...the dust...
762
00:41:54,166 --> 00:41:55,500
...a brown rubber...
763
00:41:55,833 --> 00:41:57,250
...a 20 cent coin.
764
00:41:58,292 --> 00:42:00,333
I don't know how much time passed exactly...
765
00:42:00,833 --> 00:42:03,125
...I don't know if it lasted a minute or ten...
766
00:42:03,708 --> 00:42:05,750
...but it gave me the impression
that it lasted an hour.
767
00:42:06,791 --> 00:42:07,916
One hour.
768
00:42:08,001 --> 00:42:09,333
The brown rubber...
769
00:42:09,625 --> 00:42:10,834
...the dust...
770
00:42:10,916 --> 00:42:12,000
...the currency.
771
00:42:12,416 --> 00:42:14,333
Our manager showed up...
772
00:42:14,416 --> 00:42:15,666
...and he said he was gone.
773
00:42:15,751 --> 00:42:16,833
He was pale.
774
00:42:17,833 --> 00:42:20,416
My partner and I got up
slowly, she didn't stop crying.
775
00:42:20,501 --> 00:42:21,709
I couldn't.
776
00:42:22,166 --> 00:42:25,000
Sometimes I think that if I had cried
at that moment...
777
00:42:25,583 --> 00:42:27,042
...I wouldn't have sunk so much later.
778
00:42:27,583 --> 00:42:29,626
My partner even had nightmares...
779
00:42:29,959 --> 00:42:31,084
...I was afraid.
780
00:42:31,167 --> 00:42:33,542
Two weeks later it was back in the box.
781
00:42:34,041 --> 00:42:35,417
Life continued.
782
00:42:36,417 --> 00:42:38,084
And I fell into a tailspin.
783
00:42:39,667 --> 00:42:41,042
I don't do anything anymore.
784
00:42:43,292 --> 00:42:45,417
I have developed many phobias
outside...
785
00:42:47,959 --> 00:42:49,042
...on the street...
786
00:42:49,416 --> 00:42:50,792
...in transport, in stores.
787
00:42:52,292 --> 00:42:53,542
I don't leave the house anymore...
788
00:42:54,042 --> 00:42:56,834
...I no longer work, I can't carry
my children to their activities.
789
00:42:57,917 --> 00:43:00,376
I watch TV, I gain weight.
790
00:43:00,709 --> 00:43:03,751
I take sleeping pills
I take painkillers to get out...
791
00:43:03,917 --> 00:43:06,084
...to go to the dance show
of my daughter.
792
00:43:06,792 --> 00:43:08,502
Plus I have panic attacks.
793
00:43:09,959 --> 00:43:11,501
I can't manage my house anymore...
794
00:43:12,126 --> 00:43:14,793
...I'm unpleasant with children,
with my husband.
795
00:43:16,126 --> 00:43:17,626
They want it to go back to the way it was before.
796
00:43:18,626 --> 00:43:20,335
Before I was smiling...
797
00:43:21,542 --> 00:43:22,792
...it was happy...
798
00:43:24,418 --> 00:43:25,834
...but now everything makes me nervous...
799
00:43:26,459 --> 00:43:27,918
...I'm angry all the time.
800
00:43:32,543 --> 00:43:34,127
I'm a bad mother.
801
00:43:44,377 --> 00:43:46,293
In fact,
They haven't found my attacker.
802
00:43:47,751 --> 00:43:49,335
He has no face, no name.
803
00:43:51,085 --> 00:43:53,042
I think one day it will come back.
804
00:43:53,210 --> 00:43:54,335
Sure...
805
00:43:55,043 --> 00:43:58,043
...he knows me, he has seen me,
will come back to finish me off.
806
00:43:59,168 --> 00:44:00,544
We denounce...
807
00:44:00,627 --> 00:44:01,835
...maybe he's angry.
808
00:44:02,085 --> 00:44:03,793
Maybe we live next door.
809
00:44:04,919 --> 00:44:06,335
I think about that all the time...
810
00:44:07,002 --> 00:44:08,044
...all the time.
811
00:44:14,752 --> 00:44:15,668
And that's it.
812
00:44:17,794 --> 00:44:20,418
The assault lasted ten minutes.
It was five years ago.
813
00:44:20,752 --> 00:44:22,169
It was only ten minutes.
814
00:44:22,252 --> 00:44:24,460
ten minutes of my life
and my old life is over.
815
00:44:25,460 --> 00:44:26,960
Ten minutes for nothing...
816
00:44:27,503 --> 00:44:28,461
...for nothing.
817
00:44:28,961 --> 00:44:30,294
For money, for...
818
00:44:41,628 --> 00:44:44,502
Does anyone want to speak?
819
00:44:58,628 --> 00:44:59,628
Do you want a cigarette?
820
00:44:59,794 --> 00:45:01,544
No, thanks, I've left it.
821
00:45:02,461 --> 00:45:03,461
Congratulations.
822
00:45:16,670 --> 00:45:20,669
One returned to my daughter's room.
The other two took me down to the living room.
823
00:45:21,670 --> 00:45:25,087
They wanted the code to my safe,
where I usually have cash.
824
00:45:25,878 --> 00:45:27,379
I told them I didn't know
from memory...
825
00:45:27,461 --> 00:45:28,711
...just changed code...
826
00:45:28,794 --> 00:45:30,003
...and I don't know why...
827
00:45:30,379 --> 00:45:31,503
...the one I gave them didn't fit.
828
00:45:32,004 --> 00:45:33,795
I told them it was written
on a piece of paper...
829
00:45:33,879 --> 00:45:35,336
...that was on my nightstand.
830
00:45:36,004 --> 00:45:37,794
The nervous guy went up to my room...
831
00:45:37,962 --> 00:45:40,170
...I couldn't find it
and began to turn everything upside down.
832
00:45:41,004 --> 00:45:42,794
The one who was with me
It was calm.
833
00:45:43,295 --> 00:45:45,170
I asked where my daughter was...
834
00:45:45,754 --> 00:45:48,629
...he told me that in his room,
I told him to bring it, I wanted to see it...
835
00:45:48,712 --> 00:45:50,212
...I wanted him to be with me.
836
00:45:51,712 --> 00:45:54,545
It upset him that the other didn't
I found it, the noise, the nerves.
837
00:45:55,254 --> 00:45:56,670
He asked me, "Are you sure it's there?"
838
00:45:57,462 --> 00:45:59,087
I said, "I promise."
839
00:45:59,420 --> 00:46:01,255
The nervous guy came down...
840
00:46:01,420 --> 00:46:03,421
...and he said there were no papers,
only clothes.
841
00:46:03,504 --> 00:46:04,587
So I said, "No...
842
00:46:04,671 --> 00:46:06,880
...not in the dresser,
on the nightstand."
843
00:46:07,379 --> 00:46:08,463
The calm one said:
844
00:46:08,795 --> 00:46:11,087
"On the nightstand, idiot,
next to the bed."
845
00:46:11,337 --> 00:46:12,379
So he left again.
846
00:46:12,546 --> 00:46:14,545
He came back pretty quickly with the code.
847
00:46:15,963 --> 00:46:17,254
I confirmed it was that one.
848
00:46:17,838 --> 00:46:19,338
They went to the safe.
849
00:46:20,545 --> 00:46:21,670
And then I heard:
850
00:46:22,337 --> 00:46:23,295
"Let's go!"
851
00:46:24,587 --> 00:46:27,712
The third, the one that was
in my daughter's room, he came down.
852
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:30,630
I asked him where my daughter was,
I told him to untie me.
853
00:46:32,045 --> 00:46:33,213
But they left.
854
00:46:34,212 --> 00:46:36,255
I called my daughter, but she didn't answer.
855
00:46:37,629 --> 00:46:39,630
I shouted his name several times.
856
00:46:40,963 --> 00:46:42,171
The mouth...
857
00:46:42,921 --> 00:46:44,796
...it tasted like iron to me because...
858
00:46:45,546 --> 00:46:49,588
Because I was afraid. Just by talking
I feel it again.
859
00:46:51,754 --> 00:46:53,796
I was scared, it was horrible.
860
00:46:54,505 --> 00:46:58,671
I crawled on the ground
to the main door...
861
00:46:58,838 --> 00:47:02,796
...I screamed for five minutes,
I managed to wake up the neighbors...
862
00:47:03,088 --> 00:47:05,005
...that came and untied me.
863
00:47:05,588 --> 00:47:08,421
I ran to the room
of my daughter. I was...
864
00:47:09,256 --> 00:47:10,421
...tied, gagged.
865
00:47:11,171 --> 00:47:13,755
I checked if she was hurt,
I asked him if they had done something to him.
866
00:47:13,838 --> 00:47:15,088
They hadn't done anything to him.
867
00:47:17,005 --> 00:47:18,672
The guy who was with her...
868
00:47:18,838 --> 00:47:20,464
...he had a sharp weapon, a knife.
869
00:47:22,630 --> 00:47:25,380
At the trial he said that he was not armed,
but my daughter saw his gun.
870
00:47:27,422 --> 00:47:30,046
The defense attorney said
that maybe I hadn't seen it properly.
871
00:47:32,921 --> 00:47:35,922
And it was very hard for her.
that they didn't believe her.
872
00:47:36,921 --> 00:47:39,506
At the trial he could have killed them
with my own hands...
873
00:47:39,589 --> 00:47:41,256
...but I was shaking...
874
00:47:42,422 --> 00:47:43,714
...like an idiot.
875
00:47:46,672 --> 00:47:48,006
I blame myself, I will always blame myself...
876
00:47:48,089 --> 00:47:50,046
...for not having heard them enter
in my house.
877
00:47:50,214 --> 00:47:52,006
They used the door, which creaked...
878
00:47:52,089 --> 00:47:54,006
...it was a noise
which he knew perfectly well.
879
00:47:55,422 --> 00:47:58,006
Then they went up the stairs...
880
00:47:58,797 --> 00:47:59,839
...and the same...
881
00:48:00,382 --> 00:48:02,381
...I know those noises by heart...
882
00:48:03,381 --> 00:48:04,839
...the creak of the steps...
883
00:48:08,089 --> 00:48:09,465
...but I didn't hear anything.
884
00:48:12,672 --> 00:48:14,006
And I didn't do anything.
885
00:48:17,298 --> 00:48:20,382
after that
I had a very strong depression.
886
00:48:21,506 --> 00:48:22,840
I got divorced...
887
00:48:23,422 --> 00:48:26,090
...I had a lot of money problems,
I was ruined...
888
00:48:26,172 --> 00:48:28,006
...I ended up sleeping in my truck.
889
00:48:29,339 --> 00:48:30,547
I was knackered.
890
00:48:37,298 --> 00:48:39,173
My father said:
"Succeed in life...
891
00:48:39,964 --> 00:48:41,632
...is being a good father...
892
00:48:41,715 --> 00:48:43,047
...and a good husband."
893
00:48:49,465 --> 00:48:51,215
My accomplice was a guy
that I have always known...
894
00:48:51,298 --> 00:48:52,590
...we grew up in the same neighborhood.
895
00:48:52,673 --> 00:48:55,215
A very tall guy, almost two meters...
896
00:48:55,298 --> 00:48:58,173
...with a very strange body,
with big arms.
897
00:48:58,923 --> 00:49:02,048
I had sworn not to return
to commit blows with him...
898
00:49:02,673 --> 00:49:04,257
...because it is easily found.
899
00:49:04,423 --> 00:49:07,340
But I was in a hurry, I told him
to do it and the result...
900
00:49:07,673 --> 00:49:09,215
...was that they found him right away.
901
00:49:09,673 --> 00:49:12,007
They realized
that he was an idiot, so they said...
902
00:49:12,174 --> 00:49:13,716
...that I had thought up everything.
903
00:49:13,798 --> 00:49:16,174
And it was true, but usually
I don't do it...
904
00:49:16,799 --> 00:49:18,173
...normally I don't organize it.
905
00:49:19,341 --> 00:49:21,883
I have the feeling that I never
I have organized nothing in my life.
906
00:49:21,965 --> 00:49:24,798
They have proposed things to me,
I have accepted and that's it.
907
00:49:25,258 --> 00:49:26,757
And it goes very fast.
908
00:49:26,923 --> 00:49:29,341
The neighborhood is unpredictable
when you leave school...
909
00:49:29,423 --> 00:49:30,633
...and it's also too easy:
910
00:49:31,090 --> 00:49:35,008
...it's too easy to find weapons,
people, friends to commit hits.
911
00:49:35,173 --> 00:49:37,216
And, as you said, the assaults...
912
00:49:37,298 --> 00:49:39,507
...last three minutes
and you make a lot of money.
913
00:49:39,966 --> 00:49:42,466
Nobody wants to give you a job,
even if you search.
914
00:49:42,549 --> 00:49:45,383
So I needed money
and I committed the assault...
915
00:49:46,549 --> 00:49:47,841
...but before I made others...
916
00:49:49,341 --> 00:49:51,716
...and I also did many other things.
917
00:49:52,424 --> 00:49:54,424
But I regret this one
because it got out of hand...
918
00:49:54,716 --> 00:49:57,299
...went too far
and it wasn't what I wanted.
919
00:49:58,383 --> 00:50:00,591
I have heard your stories...
920
00:50:00,674 --> 00:50:02,591
...and there are many things that I didn't imagine...
921
00:50:03,091 --> 00:50:04,217
...the truth...
922
00:50:05,091 --> 00:50:06,341
And I ask for forgiveness.
923
00:50:06,508 --> 00:50:07,549
Honestly...
924
00:50:08,259 --> 00:50:09,174
...I apologize.
925
00:50:18,634 --> 00:50:20,549
I'm sorry, but I can't hear that.
926
00:50:20,633 --> 00:50:22,300
When I was young I didn't have anything either...
927
00:50:22,466 --> 00:50:26,299
...I lived in a hostel, even
They stopped me... But I didn't choose that.
928
00:50:26,675 --> 00:50:28,925
And also don't tell me
that you looked for work.
929
00:50:29,217 --> 00:50:30,591
Did you look for a job once?
930
00:50:31,299 --> 00:50:32,799
Have you sent a CV...
931
00:50:33,091 --> 00:50:34,842
...have you done a job interview?
932
00:50:40,509 --> 00:50:42,425
Not me, really...
933
00:50:43,424 --> 00:50:45,884
...but I have seen my sisters
and my cousins fail.
934
00:50:46,342 --> 00:50:48,758
Furthermore, the employment service
It is very poorly organized.
935
00:50:52,842 --> 00:50:55,217
Okay, so it's fault
from the employment service!
936
00:50:55,717 --> 00:50:57,384
I'm not saying it's his fault.
937
00:50:57,550 --> 00:51:00,592
I confirm that it is no one's fault,
It's your fault.
938
00:51:00,675 --> 00:51:02,550
You had a choice, you chose.
939
00:51:02,717 --> 00:51:04,467
Yes, it's true, I didn't choose well.
940
00:51:06,593 --> 00:51:09,009
I didn't have your intelligence.
941
00:51:10,425 --> 00:51:11,717
Yes, of course, I am a Nobel Prize winner.
942
00:51:19,385 --> 00:51:20,301
Go ahead, go ahead.
943
00:51:29,426 --> 00:51:30,635
Excuse me...
944
00:51:31,968 --> 00:51:33,884
...Nawelle, at the beginning you said...
945
00:51:34,968 --> 00:51:36,759
...that I was afraid and all that.
946
00:51:37,843 --> 00:51:38,801
I want to tell you...
947
00:51:42,717 --> 00:51:44,010
...which I think is wrong.
948
00:51:45,260 --> 00:51:47,468
When we commit an assault
We don't see the victims.
949
00:51:48,218 --> 00:51:49,468
They don't exist.
950
00:51:50,593 --> 00:51:52,092
We're not going for them...
951
00:51:52,176 --> 00:51:54,385
...let's go for the box
or by credit card.
952
00:51:54,468 --> 00:51:55,635
We are not going for the victims...
953
00:51:56,134 --> 00:51:57,426
...we have nothing against you.
954
00:51:57,885 --> 00:51:58,843
We are so stressed...
955
00:51:58,926 --> 00:52:00,926
...there is so much adrenaline,
that we don't see anything.
956
00:52:01,635 --> 00:52:03,093
If you pass one day on the street...
957
00:52:03,176 --> 00:52:05,093
...it won't do anything to you
because he won't recognize her.
958
00:52:05,176 --> 00:52:08,385
Furthermore, if I have assaulted her
and I recognize her...
959
00:52:08,551 --> 00:52:09,468
...immediately...
960
00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:12,468
...I would bow my head,
I would change the sidewalk and run.
961
00:52:12,551 --> 00:52:14,093
I would be afraid
that he recognized me...
962
00:52:14,176 --> 00:52:15,468
...to call the police.
963
00:52:16,093 --> 00:52:18,426
Especially if they haven't caught me
after the assault.
964
00:52:19,676 --> 00:52:21,843
After an assault,
We are always afraid.
965
00:52:24,718 --> 00:52:26,177
Honestly, he's not in danger.
966
00:52:27,469 --> 00:52:28,927
I swear.
967
00:53:13,512 --> 00:53:15,844
- I'm fucking late.
- He's waiting for you in your office.
968
00:53:21,427 --> 00:53:22,637
Sorry, I'm late.
969
00:53:24,719 --> 00:53:25,720
No problem.
970
00:53:38,845 --> 00:53:39,887
I don't know anymore...
971
00:53:41,387 --> 00:53:42,220
What don't you know?
972
00:53:42,802 --> 00:53:43,762
Why do I do this.
973
00:53:44,302 --> 00:53:46,762
Do you know that I am not going to resume
the relationship with him?
974
00:53:46,844 --> 00:53:49,137
Aren't we going to see each other later?
What does it say?
975
00:53:50,345 --> 00:53:52,387
I can't tell you
What does your brother tell me?
976
00:53:53,637 --> 00:53:54,845
What I can tell you is...
977
00:53:54,928 --> 00:53:58,262
...that I have transmitted your request
on the terms we agree to.
978
00:54:01,178 --> 00:54:03,428
I didn't know that all this
It would move me so much.
979
00:54:06,095 --> 00:54:07,303
And it fucks me up.
980
00:54:10,220 --> 00:54:12,138
It bothers me to continue suffering.
981
00:54:15,428 --> 00:54:17,513
I hadn't cut myself for years.
982
00:54:18,679 --> 00:54:21,888
I didn't do it anymore, it was in the past.
983
00:54:24,721 --> 00:54:27,429
my brother saw
How I started self-harming.
984
00:54:28,220 --> 00:54:30,971
He said I was crazy,
that was disgusting...
985
00:54:31,720 --> 00:54:32,763
...but it's not true.
986
00:54:33,429 --> 00:54:35,388
It disinfected, everything was clean.
987
00:54:38,303 --> 00:54:39,929
Do you want to drink something?
988
00:54:41,053 --> 00:54:42,388
Something hot? A coffee?
989
00:54:55,563 --> 00:54:56,529
Take.
990
00:54:56,596 --> 00:54:57,638
Thank you.
991
00:55:04,346 --> 00:55:07,554
We can suspend at any time
or stop the process, Chloé.
992
00:55:08,305 --> 00:55:09,304
I don't want to.
993
00:55:11,888 --> 00:55:13,388
I'm worried about you.
994
00:55:14,346 --> 00:55:16,179
I have called you, I'm sorry,
it has escaped me.
995
00:55:16,263 --> 00:55:17,429
No problem.
996
00:55:17,680 --> 00:55:18,846
I prefer it.
997
00:55:18,930 --> 00:55:20,764
I need to know
that when you are not with me...
998
00:55:20,929 --> 00:55:22,221
...you are safe.
999
00:55:22,554 --> 00:55:25,139
That you can talk, that they support you,
that you are not alone...
1000
00:55:25,304 --> 00:55:26,971
...in the face of everything you're facing.
1001
00:55:27,888 --> 00:55:30,054
And we have to solve
the problem of scarification...
1002
00:55:30,139 --> 00:55:30,972
...to be able to continue.
1003
00:55:31,846 --> 00:55:33,305
No, but it's not a problem.
1004
00:55:33,721 --> 00:55:35,346
It's really nothing.
1005
00:55:35,430 --> 00:55:37,471
I know how to stop, I won't do it again.
1006
00:55:38,305 --> 00:55:39,847
It's not enough for me, Chloé.
1007
00:55:39,930 --> 00:55:42,597
If you want, I can give you the contact
from a good therapist.
1008
00:55:47,430 --> 00:55:48,597
It wasn't necessary.
1009
00:55:51,722 --> 00:55:53,305
Thank you for hosting me.
1010
00:55:53,471 --> 00:55:56,430
We have put you in the room
of Flora, in her old room.
1011
00:55:56,514 --> 00:55:57,764
Are you sure you don't care?
1012
00:55:57,846 --> 00:55:59,847
Are you kidding?
We're happy you're coming.
1013
00:56:00,097 --> 00:56:01,514
I won't be here forever, okay?
1014
00:56:01,764 --> 00:56:04,723
The children stay at home,
Let's take turns with them.
1015
00:56:06,014 --> 00:56:07,055
How pretty!
1016
00:56:07,223 --> 00:56:10,472
Today the grandchildren are here.
There is a children's menu for everyone.
1017
00:56:10,555 --> 00:56:12,430
Nuggets and fries.
We love them.
1018
00:56:12,597 --> 00:56:14,139
- Is that okay with you?
- Perfect.
1019
00:56:14,222 --> 00:56:16,015
Don't you prefer that I prepare you
a salad?
1020
00:56:16,097 --> 00:56:17,430
No, it's perfect.
1021
00:56:17,890 --> 00:56:19,555
Well, if you have ketchup.
1022
00:56:19,639 --> 00:56:20,805
But of course!
1023
00:56:26,680 --> 00:56:28,389
Well, we have a little problem.
1024
00:56:29,347 --> 00:56:31,556
Issa is not going to be with us today.
1025
00:56:33,889 --> 00:56:35,431
He can't come.
1026
00:56:36,139 --> 00:56:37,139
I'm sorry.
1027
00:56:37,223 --> 00:56:38,223
But why?
1028
00:56:38,389 --> 00:56:41,098
We don't know why.
He's in a disciplinary cell.
1029
00:56:41,681 --> 00:56:44,056
So we want to ask you...
1030
00:56:44,223 --> 00:56:47,097
...if we do this meeting without him.
1031
00:56:47,598 --> 00:56:49,181
Why is he in that cell?
1032
00:56:49,348 --> 00:56:52,140
Don't you want me to participate?
or have you done something stupid?
1033
00:56:52,223 --> 00:56:55,723
No, I don't think the staff
from prison has objected.
1034
00:56:56,390 --> 00:56:58,223
We don't know what exactly happened.
1035
00:56:59,098 --> 00:57:00,390
I'm sorry, but...
1036
00:57:00,890 --> 00:57:02,181
I don't think I understand it.
1037
00:57:04,515 --> 00:57:06,806
- These meetings are important.
- Of course.
1038
00:57:06,890 --> 00:57:09,599
We have been preparing for months,
We have promised to come.
1039
00:57:09,765 --> 00:57:10,681
Yes that's how it is.
1040
00:57:10,765 --> 00:57:14,932
It seems that Issa
He doesn't get along very well with the guards...
1041
00:57:15,015 --> 00:57:16,931
...so with minimal friction...
1042
00:57:17,015 --> 00:57:19,266
...or with a record in the cell
that doesn't go well...
1043
00:57:19,348 --> 00:57:20,806
What do you think?
1044
00:57:20,891 --> 00:57:24,056
Is there anyone who doesn't want
that this meeting...
1045
00:57:24,140 --> 00:57:25,849
...take place if someone is missing?
1046
00:57:27,432 --> 00:57:28,848
I don't care.
1047
00:57:29,765 --> 00:57:31,265
I don't care either.
1048
00:57:31,723 --> 00:57:34,016
- Gregoire?
- Me neither.
1049
00:57:34,765 --> 00:57:36,015
I want to thank you.
1050
00:57:37,724 --> 00:57:39,932
Because, thanks to what you told me
last time...
1051
00:57:42,556 --> 00:57:45,974
...I have the feeling
that I have lost 50 kilos of weight...
1052
00:57:46,849 --> 00:57:47,849
...suddenly.
1053
00:57:50,599 --> 00:57:53,891
I've been going to therapy for three years.
and you in three hours...
1054
00:57:55,224 --> 00:57:56,057
...you unblocked me.
1055
00:57:57,766 --> 00:57:59,516
It feels strange to say this...
1056
00:58:00,557 --> 00:58:01,807
...but it's the truth.
1057
00:58:19,517 --> 00:58:22,516
I should tell you the reason
of my last imprisonment...
1058
00:58:23,391 --> 00:58:25,433
...but there have been so many others that...
But well...
1059
00:58:25,974 --> 00:58:27,474
I have a tour...
1060
00:58:27,642 --> 00:58:29,558
...quite intense crime.
1061
00:58:30,891 --> 00:58:33,225
I have been all my life
in the world of narcotics.
1062
00:58:34,599 --> 00:58:36,683
I have done everything
to pay me for the drug:
1063
00:58:37,432 --> 00:58:40,266
...trafficking, scams, smuggling...
1064
00:58:40,975 --> 00:58:42,017
...robberies...
1065
00:58:42,933 --> 00:58:44,142
...burglaries...
1066
00:58:44,974 --> 00:58:46,767
...thefts, assaults...
1067
00:58:46,933 --> 00:58:50,225
I've been there for 25 years
going in and out of jail.
1068
00:58:50,932 --> 00:58:52,392
The jail and the street...
1069
00:58:52,892 --> 00:58:54,183
...or my godmother's house.
1070
00:58:54,349 --> 00:58:56,100
The others, my parents...
1071
00:58:56,183 --> 00:58:58,225
...they abandoned me
in the second imprisonment.
1072
00:58:59,558 --> 00:59:03,017
My last sentence was the longest,
They sentenced me to 13 years.
1073
00:59:03,558 --> 00:59:07,184
At this stage he made me go through
by a guy from an electric company.
1074
00:59:09,100 --> 00:59:12,267
He had the disguise, he was awake,
it worked for me.
1075
00:59:13,392 --> 00:59:15,808
I went to old people's houses,
It scared them.
1076
00:59:16,142 --> 00:59:17,225
He stole what there was...
1077
00:59:17,975 --> 00:59:19,308
...usually little.
1078
00:59:21,642 --> 00:59:22,933
Well, that day...
1079
00:59:23,683 --> 00:59:25,268
...the old man was not alone...
1080
00:59:26,893 --> 00:59:29,434
...a guy was with him
that I knew before...
1081
00:59:30,351 --> 00:59:31,767
...a guy I hate.
1082
00:59:33,267 --> 00:59:35,059
I recognized it right away...
1083
00:59:35,767 --> 00:59:36,809
...and things went wrong.
1084
00:59:38,184 --> 00:59:41,018
I kidnapped him,
It totally got out of hand.
1085
00:59:43,684 --> 00:59:46,142
It took them weeks to find me.
1086
00:59:47,768 --> 00:59:49,726
I was very relieved to be found.
1087
00:59:50,684 --> 00:59:52,559
Because it was clear
that had happened to me.
1088
00:59:53,308 --> 00:59:55,768
I was sentenced to 13 years
and I had nothing to say.
1089
00:59:56,059 --> 00:59:57,268
It was fair...
1090
00:59:57,434 --> 00:59:59,851
...for all the other things I did
and they didn't catch me.
1091
01:00:00,643 --> 01:00:03,184
I don't know how I managed
so they wouldn't catch me...
1092
01:00:03,434 --> 01:00:05,434
...because most of the time
he was drugged
1093
01:00:09,434 --> 01:00:11,393
I liked the drug right away.
1094
01:00:12,226 --> 01:00:13,935
Sometimes I think I was an idiot...
1095
01:00:14,434 --> 01:00:17,977
...if I had liked music
or painting as I liked drugs...
1096
01:00:18,602 --> 01:00:20,810
...the truth is that it would have been Picasso.
1097
01:00:21,643 --> 01:00:22,977
A bestial passion.
1098
01:00:23,851 --> 01:00:25,268
I could only consume...
1099
01:00:25,434 --> 01:00:27,518
...find drugs to consume...
1100
01:00:28,310 --> 01:00:30,351
...find people
to be able to consume...
1101
01:00:31,060 --> 01:00:32,851
...find places
where to consume...
1102
01:00:34,059 --> 01:00:35,560
...find drugs in jail...
1103
01:00:36,226 --> 01:00:37,809
...find drugs when leaving...
1104
01:00:38,227 --> 01:00:39,434
Lifeless...
1105
01:00:41,185 --> 01:00:42,435
...no future.
1106
01:00:45,185 --> 01:00:46,227
In fact...
1107
01:00:47,226 --> 01:00:49,310
...I had suicidal thoughts for a while.
1108
01:00:50,018 --> 01:00:51,519
I got ready.
1109
01:00:51,601 --> 01:00:53,102
I had the medicines.
1110
01:00:53,184 --> 01:00:54,227
I was prepared.
1111
01:00:56,435 --> 01:00:58,435
And just the day I decided...
1112
01:00:58,519 --> 01:00:59,852
Just that day...
1113
01:01:02,519 --> 01:01:04,685
...someone asked me to communicate.
1114
01:01:04,935 --> 01:01:06,352
My godmother's son.
1115
01:01:06,977 --> 01:01:09,310
I didn't like him very much,
but he adored her.
1116
01:01:11,144 --> 01:01:12,435
And he told me...
1117
01:01:13,352 --> 01:01:15,435
...that my godmother had died
a few weeks ago...
1118
01:01:17,602 --> 01:01:19,310
...and that he had left me
some inheritance.
1119
01:01:20,435 --> 01:01:21,560
6,000 euros.
1120
01:01:22,603 --> 01:01:24,519
I don't really know what I felt.
1121
01:01:27,394 --> 01:01:28,811
But I'm here, so...
1122
01:01:38,436 --> 01:01:39,436
Does anyone...?
1123
01:01:40,436 --> 01:01:41,269
Sabine?
1124
01:01:43,186 --> 01:01:44,228
Nassim?
1125
01:01:45,186 --> 01:01:47,686
They are physical problems, they can be cured.
1126
01:01:48,103 --> 01:01:49,853
And I'm better too.
1127
01:01:50,519 --> 01:01:52,978
But I'm very afraid to leave the house.
1128
01:01:54,270 --> 01:01:56,520
I'm afraid of the street, the sidewalks...
1129
01:01:57,520 --> 01:02:00,895
It's absurd, but it anguishes me
that could happen to me again.
1130
01:02:02,186 --> 01:02:05,270
Because I haven't changed,
It's still easy to attack me...
1131
01:02:06,145 --> 01:02:08,603
...even more than before
because I'm older.
1132
01:02:09,686 --> 01:02:11,770
At first I was trying to get out...
1133
01:02:11,853 --> 01:02:13,520
...without bag,
with hands in pockets.
1134
01:02:14,145 --> 01:02:16,311
But it was worse because I thought...
1135
01:02:16,479 --> 01:02:18,561
...that if they wanted my money...
1136
01:02:18,645 --> 01:02:21,103
...they would go look for him directly
to my pockets...
1137
01:02:21,187 --> 01:02:22,686
...they would have to shake me...
1138
01:02:23,145 --> 01:02:24,853
...take off my coat...
1139
01:02:26,353 --> 01:02:28,936
The fact is that seven years ago
I don't leave the house.
1140
01:02:30,436 --> 01:02:34,186
But I'm not well at home either.
My apartment faces the street...
1141
01:02:34,687 --> 01:02:36,771
...I take street noises very badly:
1142
01:02:37,521 --> 01:02:39,729
...the motorcycles, the people screaming...
1143
01:02:41,686 --> 01:02:44,354
So I'm usually on the side
from the patio, in my room.
1144
01:02:47,895 --> 01:02:49,396
It's like that.
1145
01:02:50,854 --> 01:02:52,229
It's my fault too.
1146
01:02:52,854 --> 01:02:54,937
Because I shouldn't have left
at those hours.
1147
01:02:55,021 --> 01:02:57,521
Normally he never went out at that time.
1148
01:02:58,896 --> 01:03:00,436
I have hidden in my house...
1149
01:03:00,521 --> 01:03:02,812
...instead of leaving early,
like I used to do.
1150
01:03:02,979 --> 01:03:05,646
And above all, I could have let go
the bag right away.
1151
01:03:05,812 --> 01:03:07,979
I don't know why I didn't let go of the bag.
1152
01:03:08,771 --> 01:03:10,271
Because of what was inside.
1153
01:03:10,438 --> 01:03:12,605
And, when I hear their stories...
1154
01:03:12,687 --> 01:03:16,021
...I realize that mine
It is less serious than yours.
1155
01:03:16,521 --> 01:03:18,979
It should be fine
because nothing so strong happened.
1156
01:03:19,146 --> 01:03:22,437
People tell me it was a jerk
bag, nothing happens.
1157
01:03:22,605 --> 01:03:23,605
And I know...
1158
01:03:23,771 --> 01:03:25,188
...it's true...
1159
01:03:25,813 --> 01:03:26,812
...but I can't.
1160
01:03:26,980 --> 01:03:28,272
Yes it happens.
1161
01:03:29,062 --> 01:03:31,271
Sorry, Sabine, you weren't finished.
1162
01:03:31,355 --> 01:03:32,771
But what happened to you is very strong.
1163
01:03:33,605 --> 01:03:34,480
Don't know.
1164
01:03:34,646 --> 01:03:35,813
- But if.
- But if.
1165
01:03:35,896 --> 01:03:38,605
He dragged you, he hit you, you were
months in the hospital. It's strong.
1166
01:03:38,771 --> 01:03:40,438
That son of a bitch broke your bones.
1167
01:03:41,880 --> 01:03:42,747
Yes.
1168
01:03:43,437 --> 01:03:45,522
I would kill whoever did that
to my mother
1169
01:03:52,397 --> 01:03:54,687
- Are you okay, Sabine?
- Yes, I'm fine, thank you.
1170
01:03:54,772 --> 01:03:56,480
- Have I scared you?
- No no.
1171
01:03:56,647 --> 01:03:57,563
Serves.
1172
01:03:57,647 --> 01:03:58,772
Do you want to drink something?
1173
01:03:58,938 --> 01:04:00,772
There is a lemon cake
and one of nuts.
1174
01:04:00,855 --> 01:04:01,688
Did you make them?
1175
01:04:01,813 --> 01:04:04,938
Yes, I made them yesterday with my daughter.
We like pastries.
1176
01:04:05,605 --> 01:04:06,605
How old are you?
1177
01:04:06,772 --> 01:04:08,022
11 years. Do you cook?
1178
01:04:08,188 --> 01:04:10,355
No, not anymore. Now I'm alone.
1179
01:04:10,438 --> 01:04:11,898
I can't cook for myself.
1180
01:04:13,938 --> 01:04:15,563
When I'm going to take a hit...
1181
01:04:15,897 --> 01:04:16,938
...I shave...
1182
01:04:17,022 --> 01:04:18,188
...entire...
1183
01:04:19,272 --> 01:04:23,148
...I buy the gloves and the balaclavas
at least 50 kilometers from my house...
1184
01:04:23,230 --> 01:04:24,522
...for everyone...
1185
01:04:24,855 --> 01:04:26,438
...and I choose other people's clothes.
1186
01:04:26,898 --> 01:04:28,230
Very simple things...
1187
01:04:28,605 --> 01:04:30,898
...all black,
nothing that can be recognized.
1188
01:04:32,438 --> 01:04:33,980
And I'm the one who gets the weapons.
1189
01:04:36,355 --> 01:04:38,938
That night four of us went to the house
from a guy with a lot of money.
1190
01:04:39,563 --> 01:04:41,231
They gave us the information...
1191
01:04:41,314 --> 01:04:44,563
...the husband and wife had at least
six credit cards.
1192
01:04:45,147 --> 01:04:46,814
We arrived around 11 pm...
1193
01:04:46,898 --> 01:04:49,189
...we wait in the garden,
hidden near the pool.
1194
01:04:49,272 --> 01:04:50,981
We see in the house...
1195
01:04:51,273 --> 01:04:52,564
...to the husband and wife.
1196
01:04:52,939 --> 01:04:54,148
Not to children.
1197
01:04:54,855 --> 01:04:57,148
They had told me that there were no dogs,
but I distrust...
1198
01:04:57,688 --> 01:04:59,064
...because I don't like dogs.
1199
01:04:59,606 --> 01:05:00,773
Watch out.
1200
01:05:01,898 --> 01:05:03,148
The lights go out...
1201
01:05:03,731 --> 01:05:05,439
...we waited two more hours.
1202
01:05:05,939 --> 01:05:08,773
Around 3:30 a.m.
We enter through a balcony.
1203
01:05:08,856 --> 01:05:10,606
It's not even necessary
force the door...
1204
01:05:11,106 --> 01:05:12,106
...is open...
1205
01:05:12,189 --> 01:05:13,106
...it's easy.
1206
01:05:14,274 --> 01:05:15,689
We enter slowly.
1207
01:05:16,064 --> 01:05:18,148
But then you hear a noise
very strange and strong...
1208
01:05:18,982 --> 01:05:20,606
...and at first I don't know what it is.
1209
01:05:21,898 --> 01:05:24,023
It's a guitar
who is in a chair...
1210
01:05:24,106 --> 01:05:25,773
...and my accomplice crashes into her.
1211
01:05:28,649 --> 01:05:30,314
That complicates things for us.
1212
01:05:31,648 --> 01:05:32,732
We don't move...
1213
01:05:33,856 --> 01:05:34,981
...we are like statues.
1214
01:05:38,107 --> 01:05:39,315
But nothing happens.
1215
01:05:40,064 --> 01:05:41,774
It is a family with two children.
1216
01:05:41,857 --> 01:05:44,398
We are four and we are supposed to
that there are four of them.
1217
01:05:44,940 --> 01:05:47,982
But I still distrust
because you never know...
1218
01:05:48,065 --> 01:05:51,232
...maybe there are more because there are guests
or whatever.
1219
01:05:51,690 --> 01:05:53,149
We wake up everyone...
1220
01:05:53,232 --> 01:05:55,356
...we put them in the dining room.
1221
01:05:55,524 --> 01:05:57,732
We find two cards
in the husband's wallet...
1222
01:05:57,815 --> 01:05:59,065
...and nothing in the woman's bag.
1223
01:06:00,649 --> 01:06:02,357
We ask for the other cards.
1224
01:06:02,774 --> 01:06:04,440
The woman
It says there are no more cards...
1225
01:06:04,524 --> 01:06:05,899
...that only the husband's have.
1226
01:06:06,982 --> 01:06:08,440
I ask him how he pays for the purchases.
1227
01:06:09,690 --> 01:06:11,941
She answers that her husband
gives you cash every week.
1228
01:06:12,900 --> 01:06:15,149
He clearly resists.
1229
01:06:16,440 --> 01:06:17,940
There is always someone who resists...
1230
01:06:18,774 --> 01:06:20,108
...and usually it's women.
1231
01:06:21,440 --> 01:06:23,440
The husband understands
we're going for the money...
1232
01:06:23,690 --> 01:06:24,899
...and it can be fast.
1233
01:06:25,149 --> 01:06:27,941
We search the women's bags
and there was a lot...
1234
01:06:28,024 --> 01:06:30,232
...and in the drawers of the room
and from the office...
1235
01:06:30,315 --> 01:06:31,524
...and we found the cards.
1236
01:06:33,275 --> 01:06:34,357
He doesn't want to give us the codes.
1237
01:06:35,815 --> 01:06:38,357
Suddenly the husband
He also starts to resist...
1238
01:06:38,440 --> 01:06:39,982
...because he doesn't want to look like the weak one.
1239
01:06:41,108 --> 01:06:42,774
We start to lose patience.
1240
01:06:43,399 --> 01:06:45,400
We started putting pressure on the husband.
1241
01:06:45,857 --> 01:06:47,066
We push him...
1242
01:06:47,900 --> 01:06:49,315
We scare them with weapons...
1243
01:06:51,316 --> 01:06:53,150
And they end up telling us
all codes.
1244
01:06:53,525 --> 01:06:55,816
Then we leave and separate.
1245
01:06:56,316 --> 01:06:58,150
I put pressure on the rest by telling them...
1246
01:06:58,233 --> 01:07:00,733
...that they be very discreet,
Don't buy anything...
1247
01:07:00,816 --> 01:07:01,983
...that do not attract attention.
1248
01:07:02,858 --> 01:07:04,983
I tell you I will burst
to whoever does it.
1249
01:07:06,525 --> 01:07:07,941
And one didn't listen to me.
1250
01:07:10,525 --> 01:07:13,275
He started showing off with a new motorcycle
the following week and that's it.
1251
01:07:14,441 --> 01:07:15,733
They caught him.
1252
01:07:16,358 --> 01:07:17,566
He gave us away.
1253
01:07:18,900 --> 01:07:20,276
There was nothing to do.
1254
01:07:34,233 --> 01:07:35,816
It's very brave to say that.
1255
01:07:37,691 --> 01:07:38,816
I thank you.
1256
01:07:39,734 --> 01:07:41,691
I'm sorry what happened to you.
1257
01:07:43,359 --> 01:07:44,233
I'm sorry.
1258
01:07:44,692 --> 01:07:46,567
You don't have to do it,
It wasn't you.
1259
01:07:48,858 --> 01:07:50,942
I will never forgive
to those who hurt me.
1260
01:08:08,151 --> 01:08:09,442
Hello. Come on?
1261
01:08:21,151 --> 01:08:23,359
What if he tells you that you have lied?
1262
01:08:25,777 --> 01:08:26,985
About what?
1263
01:08:27,068 --> 01:08:28,109
Don't know.
1264
01:08:28,902 --> 01:08:30,567
How are you going to react?
1265
01:08:30,651 --> 01:08:32,859
At first I didn't lie.
Not to the police or to anyone.
1266
01:08:33,652 --> 01:08:34,860
But later, yes.
1267
01:08:34,942 --> 01:08:36,567
I lied, of course.
1268
01:08:37,318 --> 01:08:38,442
I had to do it.
1269
01:08:39,651 --> 01:08:42,443
They ask you absurd things
about things that don't matter.
1270
01:08:43,109 --> 01:08:44,777
What day? What time?
1271
01:08:44,860 --> 01:08:46,234
How long? How many times?
1272
01:08:46,402 --> 01:08:48,985
How many fingers, how many centimeters?
1273
01:08:49,734 --> 01:08:53,360
I didn't tell them the most important thing,
They weren't interested.
1274
01:08:55,317 --> 01:08:58,110
They ask you how many fingers,
but they don't ask you what you feel.
1275
01:08:58,193 --> 01:08:59,318
The fingers hurt.
1276
01:09:01,027 --> 01:09:03,235
I couldn't even tell them
that the worst nights...
1277
01:09:03,318 --> 01:09:04,443
...were the ones that didn't appear.
1278
01:09:04,527 --> 01:09:06,277
Because I was going to go back to sleep
in class...
1279
01:09:06,360 --> 01:09:08,402
...and because I was
scared to death for nothing.
1280
01:09:12,528 --> 01:09:13,985
I remember everything...
1281
01:09:14,152 --> 01:09:15,443
...I don't have amnesia...
1282
01:09:15,693 --> 01:09:18,818
...I have not repressed or hidden anything,
nothing that is usually said.
1283
01:09:20,152 --> 01:09:21,652
Yes, I know how to lie.
1284
01:09:22,068 --> 01:09:23,444
I lie very well, in fact.
1285
01:09:23,902 --> 01:09:25,235
He taught me.
1286
01:09:27,902 --> 01:09:30,527
How are you physically?
Have you gained weight?
1287
01:09:31,278 --> 01:09:32,985
I couldn't tell you.
1288
01:09:33,819 --> 01:09:37,153
Do you want me to authorize
to give you a photo of him?
1289
01:09:38,318 --> 01:09:39,860
My brother was handsome.
1290
01:09:40,527 --> 01:09:43,693
My mother always told me: "You have
lucky that your brother takes care of you...
1291
01:09:43,778 --> 01:09:45,694
...my brothers passed by me."
1292
01:09:46,319 --> 01:09:48,778
I lost my brother when I reported.
1293
01:09:50,527 --> 01:09:51,777
I don't have a brother anymore.
1294
01:09:55,111 --> 01:09:58,318
and it makes me sad
because I adored my brother.
1295
01:10:00,236 --> 01:10:01,444
He was my older brother.
1296
01:10:03,444 --> 01:10:04,653
How are you, dad?
1297
01:10:04,736 --> 01:10:05,861
Yes I'm fine.
1298
01:10:06,319 --> 01:10:09,528
What's wrong with Nour's cell phone?
Don't you have the same number anymore?
1299
01:10:11,861 --> 01:10:13,194
Can you give it to me?
1300
01:10:14,861 --> 01:10:16,986
No, give it to me now, please.
Go get it.
1301
01:10:18,320 --> 01:10:19,736
It's okay, I hope, go get it.
1302
01:10:22,528 --> 01:10:24,986
Guard!
Can I have a pen, please?
1303
01:10:26,694 --> 01:10:27,569
Thank you.
1304
01:10:31,028 --> 01:10:31,944
Do you have it?
1305
01:10:34,069 --> 01:10:35,028
14 or 94?
1306
01:10:35,195 --> 01:10:37,070
Why didn't you show up yesterday?
1307
01:10:44,029 --> 01:10:45,361
I had to see someone...
1308
01:10:45,736 --> 01:10:49,070
...another detainee for a move
with tobacco, he cheated me.
1309
01:10:49,153 --> 01:10:51,445
We started arguing
and that's why I was late.
1310
01:10:51,737 --> 01:10:54,570
The guards did not want to know
What had happened and they held me.
1311
01:10:54,654 --> 01:10:55,487
Because?
1312
01:10:55,570 --> 01:10:57,029
I think they have a thing for me.
1313
01:10:57,612 --> 01:11:00,279
I don't know what's wrong with me,
but they go looking for me for nothing.
1314
01:11:00,362 --> 01:11:02,404
And it's not the first time.
1315
01:11:10,112 --> 01:11:12,695
You said you had to see
to another detainee...
1316
01:11:13,987 --> 01:11:17,320
...but above all you had to show up
punctually to our meetings.
1317
01:11:17,487 --> 01:11:18,487
No?
1318
01:11:18,570 --> 01:11:20,279
You committed to us...
1319
01:11:20,446 --> 01:11:23,695
...with the organizers,
to come to five meetings.
1320
01:11:23,779 --> 01:11:25,320
- You signed the paper, right?
- Yes.
1321
01:11:25,405 --> 01:11:26,779
That's why I got angry...
1322
01:11:26,862 --> 01:11:28,905
...and I told the guards
that it wasn't my fault.
1323
01:11:28,987 --> 01:11:30,612
And they didn't care, they didn't let me come.
1324
01:11:30,780 --> 01:11:32,529
What's not your fault?
I don't understand.
1325
01:11:33,821 --> 01:11:35,071
You're making us dizzy...
1326
01:11:35,237 --> 01:11:37,112
...it's you who's trying to scam us.
1327
01:11:37,445 --> 01:11:40,279
You have done something that has prevented you
show up on time. Spot.
1328
01:11:40,862 --> 01:11:43,613
We have waited for you
because we have arrived on time...
1329
01:11:43,695 --> 01:11:44,528
...like idiots.
1330
01:11:44,612 --> 01:11:48,070
Sabine, Thomas and Nassim,
They have told their story...
1331
01:11:48,946 --> 01:11:51,780
...and in front of them they had an empty chair:
"I don't care about their stories."
1332
01:11:51,862 --> 01:11:52,946
That's it, it's easy!
1333
01:11:53,112 --> 01:11:54,945
No, it's not that,
I think you haven't understood...
1334
01:11:56,655 --> 01:11:58,238
I understood it perfectly!
1335
01:11:59,446 --> 01:12:00,780
It's not your fault...
1336
01:12:00,946 --> 01:12:03,196
...is from the employment service,
of the guards, not yours.
1337
01:12:03,280 --> 01:12:04,696
You have never done anything.
1338
01:12:05,030 --> 01:12:06,946
you do things
that have no consequences.
1339
01:12:07,696 --> 01:12:10,738
Do you think you have something better to do
to come here every week?
1340
01:12:11,405 --> 01:12:12,446
That may be.
1341
01:12:13,321 --> 01:12:15,281
I don't judge you, I really don't.
1342
01:12:15,363 --> 01:12:17,280
It's your life, do what you want...
1343
01:12:18,071 --> 01:12:19,656
...but at least face it!
1344
01:12:20,322 --> 01:12:22,571
Simply say it, sincerely!
Take it!
1345
01:12:23,238 --> 01:12:25,113
Don't make absurd excuses.
1346
01:12:25,196 --> 01:12:27,571
What do you think?
I also wonder what I'm doing here.
1347
01:12:27,655 --> 01:12:30,780
I could be with my daughter, I could be
with a colleague having a beer.
1348
01:12:31,197 --> 01:12:34,155
Why do I come to spend three hours
with some guys...
1349
01:12:35,155 --> 01:12:37,864
...that ruin the lives of others
and they don't assume anything?
1350
01:12:37,946 --> 01:12:39,821
You lie! You are a liar!
1351
01:12:39,989 --> 01:12:41,655
The same thing happened at the trial!
1352
01:12:41,738 --> 01:12:45,281
"The weapons were not loaded,
It was a clean hit, I didn't decide...".
1353
01:12:45,364 --> 01:12:47,406
One even said
throughout the trial...
1354
01:12:47,489 --> 01:12:50,155
...that hadn't been there,
and they found his DNA in my house!
1355
01:12:50,656 --> 01:12:53,156
Not one looked at me
During the entire trial, not one!
1356
01:12:53,239 --> 01:12:55,281
Not a gesture,
not even a glance towards my daughter!
1357
01:12:56,156 --> 01:12:57,697
Nobody apologized to my daughter!
1358
01:12:58,239 --> 01:12:59,322
Damn!
1359
01:13:20,114 --> 01:13:21,614
I wanted to hear their stories.
1360
01:13:24,739 --> 01:13:26,031
I'm sorry.
1361
01:13:26,864 --> 01:13:28,114
No problem...
1362
01:13:32,739 --> 01:13:34,406
Do you want to take a break, Grégoire?
1363
01:13:35,281 --> 01:13:36,698
It's not necessary.
1364
01:13:39,031 --> 01:13:39,989
Issa?
1365
01:13:43,698 --> 01:13:45,614
I wanted to ask you a question.
1366
01:13:49,739 --> 01:13:53,781
I wanted to ask you a question about
the stories they have told.
1367
01:13:54,697 --> 01:13:56,490
Why don't they commit robberies?
1368
01:13:57,323 --> 01:14:00,157
Steal material from warehouses
when they are closed...
1369
01:14:00,240 --> 01:14:01,573
...it's easier, right?
1370
01:14:01,906 --> 01:14:05,031
Face people, families,
It's not easy, is it?
1371
01:14:05,282 --> 01:14:07,198
Don't you prefer there to be no one?
1372
01:14:14,698 --> 01:14:18,323
It's not that easy to steal
in stores or warehouses...
1373
01:14:18,990 --> 01:14:21,407
...because there are usually alarms,
cameras...
1374
01:14:21,490 --> 01:14:23,532
It is more protected
than houses, for example.
1375
01:14:23,698 --> 01:14:25,033
Not all, but...
1376
01:14:28,865 --> 01:14:31,949
Yes, if we do a robbery,
It is better that there is no one.
1377
01:14:32,115 --> 01:14:34,449
But, if we raid a house,
we want there to be people.
1378
01:14:35,865 --> 01:14:37,365
Do you want there to be people?
1379
01:14:38,241 --> 01:14:40,282
Do you want to wake up people
in the middle of the night...
1380
01:14:40,573 --> 01:14:43,032
...tie her, destroy her house...?
1381
01:14:43,116 --> 01:14:45,408
No, but we need the codes
and stuff.
1382
01:14:47,740 --> 01:14:48,908
We have no choice.
1383
01:14:49,074 --> 01:14:50,658
But they carry weapons.
1384
01:14:50,741 --> 01:14:52,115
Weapons are dangerous.
1385
01:14:53,158 --> 01:14:54,866
You can kill with a gun.
1386
01:14:55,324 --> 01:14:56,741
If not, people don't give anything.
1387
01:14:57,698 --> 01:14:59,866
we are not going to get there
with empty hands and say:
1388
01:14:59,949 --> 01:15:01,574
"Give me the code or I'll throw you to the ground."
1389
01:15:01,741 --> 01:15:03,116
- We are obliged.
- Forced?
1390
01:15:03,199 --> 01:15:04,658
But it's not a money problem.
1391
01:15:05,324 --> 01:15:08,533
You need money, so do we.
But why do you take it with others?
1392
01:15:09,158 --> 01:15:10,908
Do you also need
take it with others?
1393
01:15:10,991 --> 01:15:13,074
No, it's not that.
Can you give me the cane please?
1394
01:15:13,866 --> 01:15:15,949
Excuse me, can we stop now?
about the cane?
1395
01:15:17,866 --> 01:15:19,116
If the rest agree.
1396
01:15:19,284 --> 01:15:21,116
I think we have already understood it.
1397
01:15:21,283 --> 01:15:23,533
And, if we interrupt ourselves,
We return to the cane.
1398
01:15:23,700 --> 01:15:25,158
Does everyone agree?
1399
01:15:29,617 --> 01:15:30,450
Do I continue?
1400
01:15:31,949 --> 01:15:33,158
When we enter houses...
1401
01:15:34,617 --> 01:15:37,700
...we wear balaclavas,
We are armed, but we are afraid.
1402
01:15:38,617 --> 01:15:40,284
we don't know
how people are going to react.
1403
01:15:40,741 --> 01:15:42,825
When we are going to enter the house,
at the moment...
1404
01:15:42,908 --> 01:15:44,992
...what we are ahead of
from the door or window...
1405
01:15:45,074 --> 01:15:45,907
...and we are going to enter...
1406
01:15:46,242 --> 01:15:47,700
...the fear we have is...
1407
01:15:48,824 --> 01:15:51,033
I think it's stronger
than the fear of the victims.
1408
01:15:52,242 --> 01:15:55,617
Because we don't know
If they have a gun or whatever.
1409
01:15:55,867 --> 01:15:57,200
Once inside...
1410
01:15:57,367 --> 01:15:58,950
...I am less afraid...
1411
01:15:59,491 --> 01:16:00,659
...I calm down.
1412
01:16:00,741 --> 01:16:02,367
But it is very risky.
1413
01:16:02,450 --> 01:16:03,992
That's why we wear balaclavas...
1414
01:16:04,158 --> 01:16:06,325
...we slap some
to impact.
1415
01:16:06,617 --> 01:16:08,325
So that the victims do nothing.
1416
01:16:09,825 --> 01:16:10,950
But not strong...
1417
01:16:11,117 --> 01:16:13,492
...they are slaps, they are not blows,
so they don't move.
1418
01:16:13,659 --> 01:16:15,367
Slaps are hits!
1419
01:16:16,035 --> 01:16:16,909
No...
1420
01:16:18,034 --> 01:16:20,909
...the blows are with weapons,
feet, fists...
1421
01:16:21,242 --> 01:16:22,367
...and that is...
1422
01:16:23,200 --> 01:16:25,534
My mother slapped
and my father hit me.
1423
01:16:25,701 --> 01:16:27,035
Yes, that's it!
1424
01:16:27,576 --> 01:16:29,742
My father slapped me
and my uncle hit me.
1425
01:16:29,826 --> 01:16:30,701
Sheitan...
1426
01:16:30,867 --> 01:16:32,242
Like you, Sabine...
1427
01:16:32,409 --> 01:16:33,618
...the guy hit you...
1428
01:16:33,700 --> 01:16:34,868
...and that is going too far.
1429
01:16:35,118 --> 01:16:36,867
Sorry, I want to go back to something.
1430
01:16:37,368 --> 01:16:38,784
When you mean "push"...
1431
01:16:39,659 --> 01:16:41,118
..."press"...
1432
01:16:41,701 --> 01:16:44,284
Last time it didn't catch my attention,
but what does it mean?
1433
01:16:44,451 --> 01:16:45,826
We slapped the husband.
1434
01:16:45,909 --> 01:16:47,492
Why do they say "we gave him"?
1435
01:16:47,784 --> 01:16:48,951
Why don't you say "I gave him"?
1436
01:16:49,659 --> 01:16:50,950
Do you have an organized group?
1437
01:16:51,368 --> 01:16:53,160
And are there several members?
1438
01:16:53,785 --> 01:16:54,700
Who slapped?
1439
01:16:55,993 --> 01:16:57,868
- I.
- What happened next?
1440
01:16:58,368 --> 01:17:00,660
I slapped my husband
and looked at the woman.
1441
01:17:01,368 --> 01:17:02,451
And I saw...
1442
01:17:03,576 --> 01:17:05,326
...he didn't want to give us the codes...
1443
01:17:05,785 --> 01:17:06,993
...even though I was scared.
1444
01:17:07,660 --> 01:17:09,701
It seemed like he didn't care about his family...
1445
01:17:09,785 --> 01:17:12,368
...put everyone in danger,
I was forcing too much.
1446
01:17:12,910 --> 01:17:14,285
I looked her straight in the eyes...
1447
01:17:14,369 --> 01:17:16,410
...and I named his son
a gun to the head.
1448
01:17:17,161 --> 01:17:18,452
That unlocked everything...
1449
01:17:19,118 --> 01:17:20,701
...he gave us the codes right away.
1450
01:17:21,701 --> 01:17:22,868
One left...
1451
01:17:23,452 --> 01:17:25,576
...to withdraw money from the ATMs...
1452
01:17:26,244 --> 01:17:28,285
...he called us to tell us
that everything is correct...
1453
01:17:29,201 --> 01:17:30,327
...and we left.
1454
01:17:34,201 --> 01:17:35,201
But I controlled.
1455
01:17:36,451 --> 01:17:37,786
Was your gun loaded?
1456
01:17:37,951 --> 01:17:38,951
Yes.
1457
01:17:39,327 --> 01:17:41,911
But it was the only one,
Only I carried a loaded gun.
1458
01:17:42,452 --> 01:17:45,036
The others are too nervous,
sometimes they go crazy.
1459
01:17:46,160 --> 01:17:47,701
I don't know why I am...
1460
01:17:48,661 --> 01:17:49,826
I am like that.
1461
01:17:50,286 --> 01:17:51,619
I never scream...
1462
01:17:53,369 --> 01:17:54,576
...I never cry.
1463
01:17:55,661 --> 01:17:57,244
I didn't cry at my trial.
1464
01:17:57,494 --> 01:17:59,243
I didn't even cry
when my mother died.
1465
01:18:00,244 --> 01:18:01,869
But I would never have shot.
1466
01:18:02,577 --> 01:18:04,744
I have never killed anyone
and I will never kill anyone.
1467
01:18:05,619 --> 01:18:07,161
I would never take it with a child.
1468
01:18:07,327 --> 01:18:09,702
You put a child in the head
a loaded pistol.
1469
01:18:10,702 --> 01:18:13,620
The need for money does not do that,
It's something else.
1470
01:18:14,161 --> 01:18:16,244
You won't change until you
really ask yourself.
1471
01:18:17,452 --> 01:18:19,119
You don't understand
let us have nightmares...
1472
01:18:19,619 --> 01:18:20,952
...but you are not normal.
1473
01:18:21,952 --> 01:18:23,577
It's not normal to never cry...
1474
01:18:24,619 --> 01:18:25,869
...never scream.
1475
01:18:26,453 --> 01:18:28,077
Don't cry for your mother.
1476
01:18:36,453 --> 01:18:39,203
I really like the color of your shirt.
1477
01:18:39,369 --> 01:18:40,578
Thank you.
1478
01:18:40,952 --> 01:18:42,869
Wine red. I like it a lot.
1479
01:18:43,411 --> 01:18:44,578
Yes, violet.
1480
01:18:46,495 --> 01:18:47,827
Well, more like burgundy.
1481
01:18:48,744 --> 01:18:49,828
Dark pink.
1482
01:18:51,120 --> 01:18:52,953
Yes, it could be pink...
1483
01:18:53,578 --> 01:18:54,953
How strange the colors, right?
1484
01:18:56,245 --> 01:18:57,620
It's very good, delicious.
1485
01:18:57,953 --> 01:18:59,119
Thanks, Cyril.
1486
01:18:59,203 --> 01:19:01,619
And Sabine!
Sabine made the muffins.
1487
01:19:01,703 --> 01:19:03,161
Next time I will do
the muffins...
1488
01:19:03,245 --> 01:19:04,912
...and Sabine will make a quiche.
1489
01:19:05,412 --> 01:19:07,120
- They are very good.
- Thank you.
1490
01:19:07,453 --> 01:19:09,495
My husband usually brings me...
1491
01:19:09,828 --> 01:19:11,453
...but next week it can't.
1492
01:19:11,953 --> 01:19:13,703
We'll find someone to bring you.
1493
01:19:14,203 --> 01:19:16,120
There are several buses
who go through jail.
1494
01:19:16,453 --> 01:19:18,120
I'll take the bus...
1495
01:19:18,204 --> 01:19:19,370
...look how easy.
1496
01:19:19,454 --> 01:19:21,120
Don't worry, the bus is safe.
1497
01:19:21,288 --> 01:19:23,703
It depends, sometimes the bus
It's not safe.
1498
01:19:23,953 --> 01:19:26,162
I have friends who steal
on the buses.
1499
01:19:28,163 --> 01:19:29,454
No, but nothing happens.
1500
01:19:29,828 --> 01:19:32,745
I will be your driver, I will pass
to look for you next week.
1501
01:19:33,246 --> 01:19:36,038
They didn't find mine,
so I did not receive compensation.
1502
01:19:36,663 --> 01:19:38,871
But, anyway,
I wouldn't have wanted his money.
1503
01:19:39,037 --> 01:19:40,620
I wouldn't have accepted it.
1504
01:19:41,203 --> 01:19:42,703
Money doesn't fix anything.
1505
01:19:43,121 --> 01:19:46,828
Instead he would have wanted a trial.
I would have wanted them to condemn him...
1506
01:19:47,453 --> 01:19:48,871
...knowing that he suffers...
1507
01:19:49,371 --> 01:19:51,203
...which is locked up,
away from his family.
1508
01:19:51,621 --> 01:19:54,704
I thought I was going to feel good,
but I regretted having gone.
1509
01:19:54,871 --> 01:19:56,704
If I hadn't gone, it wouldn't have mattered.
1510
01:19:57,329 --> 01:20:00,163
I felt like a statue,
like a piece of furniture
1511
01:20:00,954 --> 01:20:03,079
What do they call in the cinema
Who do they act as extras?
1512
01:20:03,788 --> 01:20:04,663
Extras.
1513
01:20:05,454 --> 01:20:07,079
Yes, an extra...
1514
01:20:07,704 --> 01:20:08,579
...that's it.
1515
01:20:08,746 --> 01:20:10,371
You say money doesn't fix anything...
1516
01:20:10,538 --> 01:20:12,371
...but I worked at it
to compensate my victim.
1517
01:20:12,747 --> 01:20:16,121
My whole family goes out of its way,
my sisters, my wife.
1518
01:20:16,205 --> 01:20:17,496
It was very hard.
1519
01:20:18,038 --> 01:20:19,371
Because my victims were fine.
1520
01:20:19,538 --> 01:20:21,121
They didn't really need it.
1521
01:20:21,205 --> 01:20:23,246
Furthermore, one also
He started hitting...
1522
01:20:23,329 --> 01:20:25,872
...grabbed the bicycle lock,
which was like a weapon, so...
1523
01:20:26,746 --> 01:20:29,204
So...what? He defended himself!
1524
01:20:29,746 --> 01:20:32,079
Yes, but if he hadn't defended himself...
1525
01:20:32,371 --> 01:20:34,746
...we wouldn't have hit him like that
and I wouldn't have any eye problems.
1526
01:20:36,663 --> 01:20:38,664
It is clear to me that he is a victim.
1527
01:20:39,039 --> 01:20:41,663
I blame myself because it left us
of the hands...
1528
01:20:41,746 --> 01:20:43,164
...but he wasn't like you.
1529
01:20:43,330 --> 01:20:44,914
But, Issa, are you listening?
1530
01:20:45,746 --> 01:20:48,204
Don't you understand that someone
He lost an eye because you hit him?
1531
01:20:48,747 --> 01:20:50,704
Do you know what it is to live
with only one eye?
1532
01:20:51,580 --> 01:20:54,080
Have you understood that suffering
what we tell you...
1533
01:20:54,247 --> 01:20:55,830
...is the suffering of your victims?
1534
01:20:55,914 --> 01:20:58,330
No, it's true, you say you're sorry...
1535
01:20:58,414 --> 01:21:00,289
...but you don't understand
what you have done.
1536
01:21:00,830 --> 01:21:03,830
- Yes, I know I'm guilty.
- Yes, but...
1537
01:21:04,496 --> 01:21:05,372
...it's not clear.
1538
01:21:05,539 --> 01:21:06,872
Issa...
1539
01:21:06,955 --> 01:21:07,788
...maybe...
1540
01:21:08,122 --> 01:21:10,247
...you know you are guilty...
1541
01:21:10,789 --> 01:21:13,039
...but really
He doesn't feel responsible.
1542
01:21:13,539 --> 01:21:15,247
That's exactly it! That is!
1543
01:21:15,330 --> 01:21:16,747
Thank you, Yvette.
1544
01:21:17,289 --> 01:21:18,248
I don't understand.
1545
01:21:18,414 --> 01:21:19,455
Then think.
1546
01:21:20,456 --> 01:21:21,455
You're smart, Issa.
1547
01:21:22,372 --> 01:21:23,372
Really.
1548
01:21:23,830 --> 01:21:25,039
You have to think.
1549
01:21:42,665 --> 01:21:43,789
Come on, come on!
1550
01:21:47,915 --> 01:21:49,581
7.20, damn it!
1551
01:21:50,540 --> 01:21:52,290
7.20, shit!
1552
01:21:52,748 --> 01:21:54,330
Damn mother!
1553
01:21:56,956 --> 01:21:58,122
Why do you get like this?
1554
01:22:00,206 --> 01:22:02,665
How is it proposed that Chloé
share space with him?
1555
01:22:02,830 --> 01:22:05,040
- I'm not raising it.
- Why are you putting her in this again?
1556
01:22:05,206 --> 01:22:07,831
Do you know how much it cost you
Chloé get ahead?
1557
01:22:08,748 --> 01:22:10,956
Do you know what she was like when I met her?
1558
01:22:11,040 --> 01:22:12,998
He tells everything,
so I'm going to tell you.
1559
01:22:13,081 --> 01:22:15,415
I was 15 years old
and she was a porn film actress.
1560
01:22:15,498 --> 01:22:17,415
I did everything and enjoyed nothing!
1561
01:22:17,706 --> 01:22:20,581
I did anything!
I was devastated, it was scary.
1562
01:22:20,748 --> 01:22:23,124
And I stayed because I fell in love...
1563
01:22:23,457 --> 01:22:24,831
...and we start from the beginning.
1564
01:22:24,915 --> 01:22:26,916
But we did it slowly,
like teenagers.
1565
01:22:27,706 --> 01:22:30,165
He managed to overcome it
because he is very smart...
1566
01:22:30,415 --> 01:22:31,582
...very brave.
1567
01:22:32,456 --> 01:22:33,873
But it is also fragile.
1568
01:22:33,956 --> 01:22:34,956
Lord...
1569
01:22:35,123 --> 01:22:37,123
...I don't know Chloé like you do...
1570
01:22:37,623 --> 01:22:40,666
...but if I understood it correctly,
She wants to see her brother again.
1571
01:22:41,456 --> 01:22:43,166
I'm not here to judge...
1572
01:22:43,623 --> 01:22:45,374
...if you are right to want to do it...
1573
01:22:45,456 --> 01:22:48,374
...I am here to create conditions
optimal for that conversation.
1574
01:22:48,832 --> 01:22:50,999
If I remove myself from this equation...
1575
01:22:51,332 --> 01:22:54,749
...the desire to speak will remain, but
There will no longer be a security context.
1576
01:22:54,832 --> 01:22:57,081
They will see each other again and it will go bad.
1577
01:22:58,707 --> 01:23:01,249
Mehdi, I trust this process.
1578
01:23:02,457 --> 01:23:05,374
And above all I trust Chloé,
She is no longer a girl.
1579
01:23:05,457 --> 01:23:06,541
He will manage it.
1580
01:23:06,707 --> 01:23:08,374
It's what we're working on.
1581
01:23:08,541 --> 01:23:10,041
He will also manage it.
1582
01:23:10,416 --> 01:23:12,541
He is going to manipulate her,
He also manipulates you.
1583
01:23:13,166 --> 01:23:16,707
It's shit. It made him believe that
He was a brother, that was love.
1584
01:23:16,874 --> 01:23:19,707
It's shit,
like all sexual offenders.
1585
01:23:46,291 --> 01:23:47,582
Excuse me, sorry.
1586
01:23:47,667 --> 01:23:48,832
No problem.
1587
01:23:49,000 --> 01:23:50,041
All good?
1588
01:23:50,208 --> 01:23:52,042
Yes, I was late for something stupid.
1589
01:23:52,667 --> 01:23:53,832
How about you?
1590
01:23:53,917 --> 01:23:55,250
Fine, thanks.
1591
01:23:58,417 --> 01:24:00,958
- Do you know that Mehdi came to see me?
- Yes of course.
1592
01:24:01,458 --> 01:24:03,125
Did it go well, did it scare you?
1593
01:24:04,000 --> 01:24:05,374
Do you want us to talk about it?
1594
01:24:05,458 --> 01:24:06,458
No.
1595
01:24:06,750 --> 01:24:08,250
I understand that you are nervous...
1596
01:24:08,875 --> 01:24:10,125
...but it's your problem...
1597
01:24:10,583 --> 01:24:11,792
...I'm not nervous.
1598
01:24:11,958 --> 01:24:13,833
Sorry to insist, Chloé...
1599
01:24:13,917 --> 01:24:16,917
...but now that Mehdi knows,
can change the situation for you.
1600
01:24:17,083 --> 01:24:19,459
In any case,
your balance during the process.
1601
01:24:20,667 --> 01:24:21,917
I don't think so.
1602
01:24:22,458 --> 01:24:24,000
I don't feel that way.
1603
01:24:24,083 --> 01:24:25,667
You know that.
1604
01:24:25,750 --> 01:24:29,208
Yes, despite your concern,
Mehdi continues to be a support for you...
1605
01:24:29,292 --> 01:24:30,125
Mehdi?
1606
01:24:30,500 --> 01:24:32,167
He will support me without a doubt.
1607
01:24:32,251 --> 01:24:34,292
If one day they kidnap me
in the jungle or something...
1608
01:24:34,375 --> 01:24:35,958
...don't notify the police,
tell Mehdi.
1609
01:24:39,083 --> 01:24:40,334
I've been thinking...
1610
01:24:41,418 --> 01:24:42,500
...and me too...
1611
01:24:43,333 --> 01:24:45,000
...I want to ask Benjamin things.
1612
01:24:50,208 --> 01:24:52,125
It's no big deal?
Specific things.
1613
01:24:52,708 --> 01:24:55,126
I have realized that it takes time
waiting for answers.
1614
01:24:55,209 --> 01:24:56,126
OK.
1615
01:24:56,668 --> 01:24:59,084
We will spend time
to work on all these questions.
1616
01:24:59,251 --> 01:25:01,334
I would like you to give them to them
before the meeting.
1617
01:25:01,793 --> 01:25:03,584
Why is it important to you?
1618
01:25:04,043 --> 01:25:06,001
Because I want you to have time
to prepare.
1619
01:25:06,459 --> 01:25:08,584
And if you can't answer
to your questions...
1620
01:25:09,001 --> 01:25:10,459
...how are you going to react?
1621
01:25:10,918 --> 01:25:12,168
If you can't, you can't.
1622
01:25:13,459 --> 01:25:15,585
And what would that mean for you?
1623
01:25:16,709 --> 01:25:18,959
The truth is that I wouldn't change
a lot of things.
1624
01:25:19,793 --> 01:25:21,876
I guess I'll think
who hasn't understood anything...
1625
01:25:22,209 --> 01:25:24,501
...which has not advanced,
that is incapable of changing.
1626
01:25:25,334 --> 01:25:28,959
And maybe you think that you had to do
all this to realize.
1627
01:25:29,584 --> 01:25:32,376
Or maybe you ask me
what am I doing
1628
01:25:32,709 --> 01:25:33,669
Again.
1629
01:25:34,085 --> 01:25:36,001
Waiting for something from that idiot.
1630
01:25:36,626 --> 01:25:40,709
Chloé, if it happens, anything can happen
in that meeting...
1631
01:25:40,793 --> 01:25:43,001
...except physical and verbal violence.
1632
01:25:43,377 --> 01:25:45,459
But I don't know what is violent for you.
1633
01:25:45,627 --> 01:25:47,710
We have to determine together...
1634
01:25:47,794 --> 01:25:51,334
...what don't you want to hear
nor experiment.
1635
01:25:51,794 --> 01:25:54,752
What are your limits?
What's the worst thing he can say to you?
1636
01:25:55,835 --> 01:25:57,668
What wouldn't I have the right to do to you?
1637
01:25:59,919 --> 01:26:01,709
Today I'm not very...
1638
01:26:04,960 --> 01:26:07,294
I don't know if I'll be able to continue.
1639
01:26:08,669 --> 01:26:10,710
I think it's good for me to see them...
1640
01:26:12,460 --> 01:26:14,460
...but I think it's too late.
1641
01:26:16,377 --> 01:26:18,252
I should have done it sooner...
1642
01:26:24,460 --> 01:26:26,960
...because I've wasted a lot of time
in seven years.
1643
01:26:28,794 --> 01:26:29,878
I have lost everything.
1644
01:26:32,961 --> 01:26:35,585
I have lost the relationship with my children...
1645
01:26:35,836 --> 01:26:37,502
...I have neglected her.
1646
01:26:39,920 --> 01:26:41,502
I don't see my grandson anymore...
1647
01:26:42,585 --> 01:26:46,503
...I didn't go to see his little sister
when he was born...
1648
01:26:49,170 --> 01:26:50,420
...I don't even know her.
1649
01:26:55,128 --> 01:26:57,461
So my son is hurt...
1650
01:26:59,836 --> 01:27:04,295
...he blames me, he doesn't understand.
But I'm afraid to go to the station...
1651
01:27:05,503 --> 01:27:07,295
...I'm afraid of the train.
1652
01:27:07,835 --> 01:27:09,836
I'm even afraid to go by car...
1653
01:27:10,420 --> 01:27:12,461
...and that I was
driving school teacher.
1654
01:27:15,128 --> 01:27:18,128
And I don't tell him what that is for
because it's absurd.
1655
01:27:18,753 --> 01:27:20,461
Because I'm absurd.
1656
01:27:20,878 --> 01:27:22,961
I make things up.
1657
01:27:23,378 --> 01:27:25,545
I'm a liar
I lie to everyone.
1658
01:27:26,503 --> 01:27:28,462
I say I'm fine,
I do things, and then...
1659
01:27:29,087 --> 01:27:31,503
...I stay at home watching TV...
1660
01:27:31,670 --> 01:27:33,628
...I talk to myself as if I were crazy.
1661
01:27:35,004 --> 01:27:37,796
I have an internet connection
that I don't use.
1662
01:27:39,503 --> 01:27:40,836
I waste time.
1663
01:27:42,461 --> 01:27:44,211
I've wasted my time.
1664
01:27:48,754 --> 01:27:50,836
And I wanted to retire...
1665
01:27:51,128 --> 01:27:52,462
...I thought...
1666
01:27:52,837 --> 01:27:54,253
...which would do many things:
1667
01:27:54,796 --> 01:27:55,879
...travel...
1668
01:27:57,711 --> 01:28:00,087
...interesting things, like you...
1669
01:28:01,921 --> 01:28:03,045
...and then I haven't done anything.
1670
01:28:04,379 --> 01:28:05,712
I'm useless.
1671
01:28:11,962 --> 01:28:14,254
My life has stopped,
has faded...
1672
01:28:16,629 --> 01:28:18,004
...now it's too late.
1673
01:28:24,212 --> 01:28:25,296
But no, not at all...
1674
01:28:25,587 --> 01:28:27,380
No, it's not too late.
1675
01:28:27,546 --> 01:28:29,546
It also stirs me a lot
come here.
1676
01:28:29,630 --> 01:28:31,921
- I should have done it before.
- That is.
1677
01:28:32,337 --> 01:28:34,255
- But it's too late.
- Not at all!
1678
01:28:34,421 --> 01:28:35,921
- And I also talk to myself.
- You're not useless.
1679
01:28:36,087 --> 01:28:39,297
You were not afraid to face
to three idiots like us.
1680
01:28:39,379 --> 01:28:41,838
- Yes, I have been afraid.
- Then it has more merit.
1681
01:28:42,004 --> 01:28:44,338
It's true, you are super brave.
1682
01:28:44,421 --> 01:28:47,713
You can get the relationship back
with your children, with your grandchildren.
1683
01:28:47,797 --> 01:28:49,922
Explain it to your child, he will understand.
1684
01:28:50,005 --> 01:28:51,088
But of course!
1685
01:28:51,255 --> 01:28:52,422
Yes, there is still time.
1686
01:28:52,921 --> 01:28:55,046
10 years, 15 years...
There are many days!
1687
01:28:55,213 --> 01:28:57,172
- It's a lot!
- Yes, it's a lot.
1688
01:28:57,338 --> 01:28:58,463
Even one year is a long time.
1689
01:28:59,462 --> 01:29:01,797
There are so many hours, so many days...
1690
01:29:01,880 --> 01:29:02,879
Also...
1691
01:29:03,047 --> 01:29:05,255
...it is true that a good connection
The Internet can help.
1692
01:29:10,672 --> 01:29:11,672
Why are they laughing?
1693
01:29:14,963 --> 01:29:17,047
When we hit
We don't think about anyone.
1694
01:29:17,463 --> 01:29:19,505
- Not even in his parents?
- Not at all...
1695
01:29:19,588 --> 01:29:22,088
No, you know you're not going to kill anyone.
1696
01:29:22,172 --> 01:29:23,963
You think about the bag,
in the safe...
1697
01:29:24,047 --> 01:29:25,423
Also, my mother was no longer there.
1698
01:29:25,672 --> 01:29:29,547
And, like I told you,
My father was a big son of a bitch.
1699
01:29:29,630 --> 01:29:31,172
Yes, what about your father is understandable...
1700
01:29:31,339 --> 01:29:33,088
...but you say that your mother suffers...
1701
01:29:33,256 --> 01:29:34,547
...and have you never considered...
1702
01:29:34,630 --> 01:29:37,838
...try to fix your life
to stop messing up yours?
1703
01:29:38,463 --> 01:29:41,130
You should tell him to do something.
similar to this, it will suit you well.
1704
01:29:41,547 --> 01:29:43,506
Do you also work on marital violence?
1705
01:29:43,672 --> 01:29:47,006
Clear! Of course, there are meetings
for all kinds of crimes.
1706
01:29:47,172 --> 01:29:49,297
Child abuse too.
1707
01:29:50,213 --> 01:29:51,589
No, but they didn't mistreat me.
1708
01:29:52,548 --> 01:29:55,255
Let them hit you with the belt
and being punched is abuse.
1709
01:29:55,423 --> 01:29:56,838
- Well, yes.
- Yes, but no...
1710
01:29:57,781 --> 01:29:58,648
But yes!
1711
01:29:59,256 --> 01:30:01,798
Did your mother never report?
1712
01:30:02,548 --> 01:30:04,214
They should have punished
to that son of a bitch.
1713
01:30:04,630 --> 01:30:07,797
-Does the brother want to apologize?
- Yes.
1714
01:30:07,964 --> 01:30:09,839
But it's more complex than that.
1715
01:30:10,548 --> 01:30:12,048
He also wants her to ask him.
1716
01:30:12,214 --> 01:30:13,089
Alright.
1717
01:30:13,173 --> 01:30:15,756
For having reported,
for not having settled it with the family.
1718
01:30:16,131 --> 01:30:18,339
He wants them to forgive each other
each other.
1719
01:30:18,424 --> 01:30:19,589
It's important to him.
1720
01:30:20,048 --> 01:30:22,006
And she's not going to do that.
1721
01:30:22,381 --> 01:30:24,049
It's not something she can hear.
1722
01:30:24,214 --> 01:30:26,048
So it can't happen
this meeting.
1723
01:30:26,964 --> 01:30:29,089
Like most
of encounters, in fact.
1724
01:30:29,881 --> 01:30:31,089
No problem...
1725
01:30:31,423 --> 01:30:33,715
...at least they have established a dialogue.
1726
01:30:33,881 --> 01:30:35,548
Yes I know.
1727
01:30:37,964 --> 01:30:39,464
But they have come so far...
1728
01:30:40,549 --> 01:30:42,589
And it's so important
for them to meet...
1729
01:30:42,673 --> 01:30:44,464
But not at any price!
1730
01:30:44,798 --> 01:30:47,381
We are here to facilitate your repair...
1731
01:30:47,465 --> 01:30:49,424
...not to hurt them even more!
1732
01:30:51,381 --> 01:30:54,132
We can't afford to fail, Judith.
They trust us!
1733
01:30:54,214 --> 01:30:56,257
If we re-victimize a victim...
1734
01:30:56,632 --> 01:31:00,340
...it's over, it's the end, justice
restorative in France will be dead.
1735
01:31:00,424 --> 01:31:02,006
Wait, what are you telling me?
1736
01:31:02,090 --> 01:31:04,548
I don't care about saving
restorative justice in France...
1737
01:31:04,632 --> 01:31:05,465
...it's not my problem.
1738
01:31:05,507 --> 01:31:08,298
If I have doubts that this meeting
could hurt Chloé...
1739
01:31:08,465 --> 01:31:11,299
...it is clear that this meeting
will not take place!
1740
01:31:12,799 --> 01:31:14,340
I think it should go to the end.
1741
01:31:14,424 --> 01:31:17,757
Its restoration passes
for this meeting, I'm sure.
1742
01:31:18,465 --> 01:31:19,590
And the same for him.
1743
01:31:20,215 --> 01:31:21,299
Look...
1744
01:31:21,382 --> 01:31:23,215
...he was tried, convicted...
1745
01:31:23,300 --> 01:31:25,840
...he spent three years in jail,
He has suffered a lot...
1746
01:31:25,924 --> 01:31:27,675
...and is not yet aware
of what he did.
1747
01:31:28,174 --> 01:31:29,632
Plus he's going to be a father.
1748
01:31:30,590 --> 01:31:33,008
Only Chloé can make him recognize
that he was an aggressor.
1749
01:31:33,090 --> 01:31:34,965
And this is how you will get through it.
1750
01:31:36,299 --> 01:31:38,715
Okay, jail sucks,
don't like it, you're locked in...
1751
01:31:38,799 --> 01:31:41,466
But they have somewhere to sleep,
They feed them...
1752
01:31:41,632 --> 01:31:43,132
...they can do activities...
1753
01:31:44,090 --> 01:31:46,466
When I see a homeless person,
I wonder what he does.
1754
01:31:46,549 --> 01:31:47,882
"Attack someone...
1755
01:31:48,966 --> 01:31:52,050
...you will see how later you will have a roof,
you will be warm, you will have TV...
1756
01:31:52,215 --> 01:31:54,633
...a psychologist, a social worker,
yoga workshops..."
1757
01:31:55,091 --> 01:31:56,383
We don't have that!
1758
01:31:58,216 --> 01:31:59,675
I understand what you are saying.
1759
01:32:01,257 --> 01:32:02,675
I'm going to explain it to you...
1760
01:32:03,799 --> 01:32:05,508
...but here things are not as you think.
1761
01:32:06,508 --> 01:32:08,465
The confinement wreaked havoc.
1762
01:32:09,050 --> 01:32:11,258
Reports on people's TV
who went crazy...
1763
01:32:11,341 --> 01:32:12,341
...after a week.
1764
01:32:12,758 --> 01:32:15,675
People say: "They have given
five years, that's nothing...
1765
01:32:15,758 --> 01:32:17,800
...they have given him ten years,
It's nothing..."
1766
01:32:18,341 --> 01:32:19,466
But don't worry...
1767
01:32:20,633 --> 01:32:21,508
...we pay it.
1768
01:32:22,508 --> 01:32:23,550
We suffer...
1769
01:32:24,216 --> 01:32:25,384
...we are locked...
1770
01:32:25,716 --> 01:32:27,091
...we no longer have the right to anything.
1771
01:32:30,508 --> 01:32:31,967
What does it smell like?
1772
01:32:32,800 --> 01:32:33,966
I'm getting hungry.
1773
01:32:34,050 --> 01:32:37,301
They are Antillean things:
acras, samosas...
1774
01:32:37,466 --> 01:32:38,801
Really? I love it!
1775
01:32:38,883 --> 01:32:40,508
So let's try it.
1776
01:32:40,758 --> 01:32:43,134
My brother gave it to me
with whom I do the mediation.
1777
01:32:45,009 --> 01:32:46,384
The samosas.
1778
01:32:49,467 --> 01:32:50,384
Michael...
1779
01:32:51,133 --> 01:32:52,551
Here are the acras.
1780
01:32:53,134 --> 01:32:54,883
It's very good, delicious.
1781
01:32:55,426 --> 01:32:58,050
Yes, it's good, even a little cold
It's good.
1782
01:32:58,551 --> 01:32:59,842
Do you want acra, Michel?
1783
01:33:02,676 --> 01:33:03,592
Take.
1784
01:33:03,675 --> 01:33:05,384
- Not too much.
- Come on!
1785
01:33:05,467 --> 01:33:07,759
Martine has prepared us
a super dinner
1786
01:33:07,926 --> 01:33:09,217
I also have rum!
1787
01:33:09,384 --> 01:33:11,009
Ginger, turmeric.
1788
01:33:11,800 --> 01:33:12,801
Do you want to try it?
1789
01:33:16,759 --> 01:33:17,592
Pica.
1790
01:33:19,884 --> 01:33:22,009
- What does yours have?
- Pineapple.
1791
01:33:22,176 --> 01:33:23,967
In moderation, yes?
1792
01:33:27,634 --> 01:33:28,717
How good it feels.
1793
01:33:35,967 --> 01:33:37,592
Chloé, I'm going to be transparent with you.
1794
01:33:38,259 --> 01:33:41,510
I've seen them nine times each.
In the last eight months...
1795
01:33:41,592 --> 01:33:43,509
...and I have confirmed
than your expectations...
1796
01:33:43,592 --> 01:33:45,717
...they don't exactly match.
1797
01:33:46,760 --> 01:33:49,092
Let two people meet
whose expectations...
1798
01:33:49,176 --> 01:33:50,552
...they don't exactly match...
1799
01:33:50,635 --> 01:33:52,301
...can put them in danger...
1800
01:33:52,385 --> 01:33:54,801
...and my role is to guarantee
your safety.
1801
01:33:54,885 --> 01:33:56,009
Given this...
1802
01:33:56,342 --> 01:33:59,218
...I think your safety
It is not fully guaranteed.
1803
01:34:01,218 --> 01:34:02,968
Can you tell me something else?
1804
01:34:03,052 --> 01:34:05,092
Damn, I'm talking like you.
1805
01:34:07,052 --> 01:34:09,010
What makes you say...
1806
01:34:09,093 --> 01:34:11,302
...that our expectations don't...?
1807
01:34:11,885 --> 01:34:14,510
It means you have expectations.
very specific...
1808
01:34:14,593 --> 01:34:16,302
...that we have worked together...
1809
01:34:16,593 --> 01:34:18,260
...Mr Delarme too.
1810
01:34:18,343 --> 01:34:21,843
And this device maybe
is not able to satisfy them.
1811
01:34:23,093 --> 01:34:24,093
Because?
1812
01:34:26,635 --> 01:34:29,385
To begin with, the Lord says
who is going to try to answer...
1813
01:34:29,469 --> 01:34:30,385
...to your questions...
1814
01:34:30,469 --> 01:34:32,510
...but he doesn't want to have them
before the meeting.
1815
01:34:33,718 --> 01:34:35,094
What does that mean?
1816
01:34:35,843 --> 01:34:38,343
He prefers that you ask him
directly.
1817
01:34:38,511 --> 01:34:40,803
He wants you to see that his answers
They are spontaneous.
1818
01:34:40,885 --> 01:34:42,177
Believe it is best for you.
1819
01:34:42,678 --> 01:34:43,594
No.
1820
01:34:44,886 --> 01:34:47,386
He doesn't want me to make the rules,
that's all.
1821
01:34:47,468 --> 01:34:50,302
If I hadn't given you my questions
Before, he would have asked me for them.
1822
01:34:50,469 --> 01:34:52,468
He always has to be in charge.
1823
01:34:53,178 --> 01:34:56,386
Or maybe you want to have resources
not to answer.
1824
01:34:56,469 --> 01:34:58,760
To be able to say:
"I don't know, I don't remember."
1825
01:35:02,553 --> 01:35:03,678
Okay, I don't care...
1826
01:35:03,760 --> 01:35:06,178
...I will ask you the questions
directly, face to face.
1827
01:35:06,552 --> 01:35:07,886
I think he will answer me.
1828
01:35:08,844 --> 01:35:11,094
Anyway,
I already know the answers.
1829
01:35:11,178 --> 01:35:12,969
I just want to hear them from your mouth.
1830
01:35:13,678 --> 01:35:16,011
- And if that's not the case?
- Then nothing happens.
1831
01:35:16,178 --> 01:35:18,636
I'm ready for that,
we have already talked about it.
1832
01:35:19,261 --> 01:35:20,304
What else?
1833
01:35:21,469 --> 01:35:24,803
You have to analyze
the notion of forgiveness.
1834
01:35:26,636 --> 01:35:27,678
Forgiveness?
1835
01:35:28,261 --> 01:35:30,261
Do you want to apologize to me?
1836
01:35:30,345 --> 01:35:31,554
What would you feel?
1837
01:35:34,011 --> 01:35:36,262
You can try it, we'll see.
1838
01:35:36,761 --> 01:35:38,386
But sorry for what?
1839
01:35:38,470 --> 01:35:42,053
Although I recognize what he did to me
and above all that he knew what he was doing...
1840
01:35:42,303 --> 01:35:43,844
...I don't know if I want to forgive him.
1841
01:35:45,428 --> 01:35:46,845
You have to ask yourself.
1842
01:35:48,344 --> 01:35:51,428
And analyze the notion of forgiveness
in general.
1843
01:35:52,303 --> 01:35:53,804
Grant forgiveness.
1844
01:35:54,345 --> 01:35:55,720
Apologize.
1845
01:36:04,970 --> 01:36:06,761
He wants me to apologize.
1846
01:36:08,011 --> 01:36:09,012
Is that it?
1847
01:36:10,387 --> 01:36:12,304
Do you want me to apologize?
1848
01:36:13,887 --> 01:36:15,304
What do you think?
1849
01:36:15,679 --> 01:36:18,429
Do you understand it?
What do you say to him when he says that?
1850
01:36:19,679 --> 01:36:22,554
Have you been seeing my brother for months?
and he keeps saying things like that?
1851
01:36:22,637 --> 01:36:23,845
But what do they do?
1852
01:36:24,137 --> 01:36:26,387
You're not preparing it!
You only prepare me!
1853
01:36:26,470 --> 01:36:29,345
I've been working hard for a month,
opening all the wounds...
1854
01:36:29,429 --> 01:36:32,762
...awakening all the ghosts!
I will never ask for forgiveness!
1855
01:36:32,845 --> 01:36:35,304
He is sick,
Do you tell him that he is sick?
1856
01:36:36,262 --> 01:36:38,680
You are within your right,
and I have to prepare your brother...
1857
01:36:38,762 --> 01:36:40,762
...faced with the possibility
that you don't do it.
1858
01:36:40,846 --> 01:36:43,013
But what about you?
Even if you tell him "no"...
1859
01:36:43,095 --> 01:36:45,387
...will you be able to fit it?
1860
01:36:45,555 --> 01:36:47,096
Can you stand...
1861
01:36:47,179 --> 01:36:49,638
...to ask you to apologize?
1862
01:36:51,805 --> 01:36:53,680
You don't have to answer
right away, today.
1863
01:36:54,470 --> 01:36:55,930
Take your time.
1864
01:36:56,012 --> 01:36:58,388
Yes, I know what you're going to say.
1865
01:36:58,470 --> 01:37:01,096
I'll think about it and talk to my therapist.
1866
01:37:01,262 --> 01:37:02,554
That is. It's very important, Chloé.
1867
01:37:02,638 --> 01:37:03,596
Yes.
1868
01:37:06,304 --> 01:37:08,055
I understood the rules and all that...
1869
01:37:09,471 --> 01:37:11,012
...but sometimes
my stomach turns...
1870
01:37:11,096 --> 01:37:13,388
...when I think that you protect
to my brother as well as to me.
1871
01:37:15,138 --> 01:37:16,305
I understand.
1872
01:37:25,263 --> 01:37:26,180
What the fuck is that?
1873
01:37:34,221 --> 01:37:35,722
Die, damn it!
1874
01:37:35,805 --> 01:37:37,055
Fucking shit!
1875
01:38:07,347 --> 01:38:08,680
- Hello.
- It's about time!
1876
01:38:08,764 --> 01:38:09,722
- How are you?
- Good, you?
1877
01:38:09,806 --> 01:38:11,056
Hi how are things?
1878
01:38:11,139 --> 01:38:12,639
Hi Sabine, how are you?
1879
01:38:12,806 --> 01:38:14,139
How are you? Hello.
1880
01:38:14,847 --> 01:38:16,139
I'm sorry, sorry.
1881
01:38:16,222 --> 01:38:18,514
- Hello, we were scared.
- How are you? I have lost myself.
1882
01:38:19,139 --> 01:38:20,431
How are you?
1883
01:38:20,597 --> 01:38:21,639
It's good that you are here.
1884
01:38:22,431 --> 01:38:24,139
It was difficult for me to come by car!
1885
01:38:24,722 --> 01:38:26,182
Everything is changed:
1886
01:38:26,264 --> 01:38:28,014
...new roads, intersections...
1887
01:38:28,098 --> 01:38:29,097
I don't recognize anything anymore.
1888
01:38:29,264 --> 01:38:31,056
When I knew it was coming out,
my sister told me...
1889
01:38:31,139 --> 01:38:33,723
...not even joking
I was going to return to the neighborhood...
1890
01:38:34,097 --> 01:38:36,389
...so I'm at his house,
but he lives 30 kilometers away.
1891
01:38:36,473 --> 01:38:38,639
Damn, you're free and you're coming to jail!
1892
01:38:38,723 --> 01:38:40,056
You haven't understood anything!
1893
01:38:40,598 --> 01:38:43,140
What did the guards say
Why are you coming to destroy this?
1894
01:38:43,306 --> 01:38:45,223
- I've been trying to get in for 30 minutes.
- Yes of course...
1895
01:38:45,307 --> 01:38:48,348
Recognize that you were afraid of Grégoire,
If it were up to you if you didn't come...
1896
01:38:48,514 --> 01:38:49,640
...and he will tell you off.
1897
01:38:51,265 --> 01:38:53,015
Is she your older sister?
1898
01:38:53,098 --> 01:38:55,890
Yes, I called her during the meetings.
He came to see me.
1899
01:38:56,347 --> 01:38:59,348
We had at least
seven years without seeing each other.
1900
01:38:59,890 --> 01:39:01,807
- Did you call her?
- Yes...
1901
01:39:02,347 --> 01:39:04,307
...I told him I was finding myself
with victims...
1902
01:39:04,390 --> 01:39:06,223
...and there was one that reminded me
a lot to her.
1903
01:39:09,640 --> 01:39:10,473
I?
1904
01:39:10,640 --> 01:39:12,306
Yes a lot!
1905
01:39:12,765 --> 01:39:16,307
I wanted to tell him that I understood
Why didn't he want to see me?
1906
01:39:16,765 --> 01:39:19,473
I understood many things
What he told me 10 years ago.
1907
01:39:21,057 --> 01:39:22,182
I understood them here.
1908
01:39:22,348 --> 01:39:24,265
And have they gotten together?
1909
01:39:24,348 --> 01:39:25,348
Arrejuntawhat?
1910
01:39:25,432 --> 01:39:27,098
- What's that?
- No idea.
1911
01:39:27,182 --> 01:39:28,932
Arrejuntado! Reconciled!
1912
01:39:29,036 --> 01:39:29,869
Refound!
1913
01:39:29,890 --> 01:39:30,890
Yeah!
1914
01:39:31,058 --> 01:39:32,390
Arrejuntado.
1915
01:39:32,473 --> 01:39:33,807
Very nice, that word.
1916
01:39:35,307 --> 01:39:37,515
I told my lawyer
that it hadn't been me.
1917
01:39:37,599 --> 01:39:40,474
He insisted to know
and I told him it wasn't me.
1918
01:39:40,973 --> 01:39:43,057
In fact, I didn't know that,
when the assault started...
1919
01:39:43,140 --> 01:39:45,516
...one of the store's customers
started recording.
1920
01:39:45,598 --> 01:39:48,266
From where I was I couldn't see anything,
but my voice was heard.
1921
01:39:48,349 --> 01:39:50,598
The lawyer told me:
"Tell me if it's you...
1922
01:39:50,682 --> 01:39:53,308
...because, if it's not you,
I ask for a voice analysis...
1923
01:39:53,390 --> 01:39:54,766
...which will confirm that it is not you.
1924
01:39:55,183 --> 01:39:58,224
But, if it was you,
I'm not asking for the analysis."
1925
01:39:58,308 --> 01:40:01,058
But I insisted
that it hadn't been me.
1926
01:40:01,141 --> 01:40:03,891
He requested a voice analysis
and it was discovered...
1927
01:40:05,474 --> 01:40:06,766
...which was me.
1928
01:40:06,849 --> 01:40:08,058
You are crazy.
1929
01:40:08,224 --> 01:40:09,974
- It's a shame.
- Why didn't you confess?
1930
01:40:10,058 --> 01:40:11,890
In case voice analysis
He didn't recognize me!
1931
01:40:12,058 --> 01:40:14,599
Even the lawyer told me
that he was an idiot...
1932
01:40:14,683 --> 01:40:18,266
...because I had screwed up by myself.
1933
01:40:19,016 --> 01:40:20,391
You didn't understand how they work
the lawyers.
1934
01:40:21,099 --> 01:40:23,224
No, no. In fact, I thought...
1935
01:40:23,724 --> 01:40:26,849
...that if she believed that I was innocent,
I would defend myself even better.
1936
01:40:27,016 --> 01:40:28,308
Yes, you didn't understand.
1937
01:40:29,474 --> 01:40:31,141
I've done a lot of similar stupid things.
1938
01:40:32,474 --> 01:40:34,434
I think I'm not a good criminal...
1939
01:40:35,391 --> 01:40:36,641
...that's why I better leave it.
1940
01:40:37,099 --> 01:40:39,392
- Do you think you can avoid reoffending?
- I think so.
1941
01:40:40,266 --> 01:40:42,016
I have a wife and a son,
I have to stay calm.
1942
01:40:42,391 --> 01:40:45,350
My wife is working on it:
He works, he sends me money.
1943
01:40:45,433 --> 01:40:46,724
Live for me.
1944
01:40:47,141 --> 01:40:48,475
I am indebted to her.
1945
01:40:48,891 --> 01:40:50,059
And you, Nassim?
1946
01:40:50,725 --> 01:40:52,058
I don't think I can reoffend...
1947
01:40:52,475 --> 01:40:54,100
...their faces would appear to me.
1948
01:40:54,392 --> 01:40:55,975
Plus, it's nice outside.
1949
01:40:56,350 --> 01:40:58,184
It's only been four days, but already...
1950
01:40:58,349 --> 01:40:59,767
What are you going to do?
1951
01:41:00,224 --> 01:41:01,934
I took a refresher course in prison...
1952
01:41:02,017 --> 01:41:04,142
...and I trained
as an order preparer.
1953
01:41:04,224 --> 01:41:06,934
- I have a job interview.
- We cross our fingers.
1954
01:41:07,099 --> 01:41:08,225
Yes, thanks.
1955
01:41:08,392 --> 01:41:09,309
And you?
1956
01:41:09,475 --> 01:41:10,309
I?
1957
01:41:11,517 --> 01:41:12,975
I don't know if I'll do it again...
1958
01:41:13,517 --> 01:41:14,517
...sincerely.
1959
01:41:14,600 --> 01:41:17,225
Finding a job when you go out
from jail is almost impossible.
1960
01:41:17,391 --> 01:41:18,559
Sorry, Nassim.
1961
01:41:19,184 --> 01:41:21,059
Because I've already tried,
I know what it is.
1962
01:41:21,600 --> 01:41:24,434
It's hard outside, it's in a hurry,
everything is complicated...
1963
01:41:24,600 --> 01:41:26,892
...reports must be made,
thousands of requests...
1964
01:41:27,059 --> 01:41:28,434
I don't know how to do anything.
1965
01:41:29,059 --> 01:41:31,600
I know myself, I'm going to get nervous,
I'm going to get angry...
1966
01:41:31,768 --> 01:41:33,225
I'm calm here, but sometimes...
1967
01:41:33,310 --> 01:41:34,767
It's amazing...
1968
01:41:34,935 --> 01:41:37,934
Does that mean they can come back
to attack us and what could it be you?
1969
01:41:38,100 --> 01:41:40,100
No, I'm not going to assault you!
1970
01:41:40,268 --> 01:41:41,185
But why?
1971
01:41:42,060 --> 01:41:43,643
Because I don't want to attack them!
1972
01:41:43,809 --> 01:41:45,392
- But why?
- Because we know each other.
1973
01:41:46,059 --> 01:41:46,892
And?
1974
01:41:47,685 --> 01:41:50,434
And nothing, that's it, that's it.
1975
01:41:50,518 --> 01:41:52,267
Wait, what are you saying?
1976
01:41:52,768 --> 01:41:55,059
Do reports and go to interviews
is it hard?
1977
01:41:55,226 --> 01:41:57,309
Living here is hard,
I don't understand it.
1978
01:41:58,184 --> 01:42:00,684
It's hard to take shitty walks
and sleep in shitty beds.
1979
01:42:00,768 --> 01:42:02,476
What are you saying?
1980
01:42:02,892 --> 01:42:05,268
I'll give you the reports.
That doesn't cost anything!
1981
01:42:05,810 --> 01:42:07,935
These are not empty words!
You call me and I'll help you.
1982
01:42:09,268 --> 01:42:11,268
Anyway,
I will give you if you go back to jail.
1983
01:42:23,351 --> 01:42:25,185
In third year I stopped studying.
1984
01:42:25,268 --> 01:42:28,435
I didn't study anything either.
I was not a good student.
1985
01:42:30,018 --> 01:42:31,601
Have you put on the smiling face?
1986
01:42:31,685 --> 01:42:32,768
No, it wasn't me.
1987
01:42:32,936 --> 01:42:34,935
If you want I can put the buttons on you.
1988
01:42:35,102 --> 01:42:36,768
- Yeah?
- Yes, I brought my things.
1989
01:42:37,936 --> 01:42:39,226
Not bad.
1990
01:42:39,393 --> 01:42:40,810
For the pocket, in fact.
1991
01:42:40,893 --> 01:42:42,644
This one is more similar.
1992
01:42:42,726 --> 01:42:44,310
- This?
- It's a little strong...
1993
01:42:44,393 --> 01:42:46,394
It's pretty, but it's a little strong,
you are right.
1994
01:42:46,476 --> 01:42:49,685
Thank you, Sabine, you are very kind.
Plus, it's my favorite shirt.
1995
01:42:49,852 --> 01:42:51,727
I can do it to you during the meeting...
1996
01:42:51,894 --> 01:42:53,726
...I bought you a shirt
spare.
1997
01:42:54,227 --> 01:42:56,143
I have gone to look for her.
1998
01:42:56,644 --> 01:42:58,976
If you have bought it,
It means you're out!
1999
01:42:59,144 --> 01:43:00,686
Yes, I left yesterday.
2000
01:43:01,476 --> 01:43:02,726
Yes, the weather was good.
2001
01:43:10,268 --> 01:43:11,477
Good luck! We are with you!
2002
01:43:11,561 --> 01:43:12,602
It's a message from Michel.
2003
01:43:12,768 --> 01:43:13,894
What does it say?
2004
01:43:14,519 --> 01:43:15,519
"Luck!"
2005
01:43:42,936 --> 01:43:44,561
You can sit here.
2006
01:44:03,478 --> 01:44:04,353
Are they comfortable?
2007
01:44:06,102 --> 01:44:08,103
Do you want to have something to drink?
2008
01:44:09,895 --> 01:44:11,394
Welcome.
2009
01:44:12,062 --> 01:44:13,853
If you need to take a break...
2010
01:44:14,020 --> 01:44:15,645
...don't hesitate to ask for it.
2011
01:44:17,937 --> 01:44:18,812
Well...
2012
01:44:20,145 --> 01:44:23,812
...we have agreed together that Mrs.
Delarme will start speaking first.
2013
01:44:25,228 --> 01:44:26,353
Go ahead, Chloe.
2014
01:44:29,521 --> 01:44:32,354
Benjamin, we live in the same city,
but I don't want to see you...
2015
01:44:32,728 --> 01:44:34,395
...I don't want us to cross paths.
2016
01:44:35,562 --> 01:44:37,812
I want us to agree
about certain things...
2017
01:44:38,604 --> 01:44:39,813
...and that we fulfill them...
2018
01:44:40,479 --> 01:44:41,603
...that we commit.
2019
01:44:45,603 --> 01:44:47,812
Are you going to the cemetery to see mom?
2020
01:44:48,520 --> 01:44:49,563
Yes.
2021
01:44:49,645 --> 01:44:50,978
What day do you want to go?
2022
01:44:52,770 --> 01:44:54,145
The weekend.
2023
01:44:54,521 --> 01:44:56,063
Okay, the weekend.
2024
01:44:56,228 --> 01:44:57,688
I will never go on the weekend.
2025
01:44:57,771 --> 01:45:01,312
I will only go during the week and you will never
You'll go during the week, okay?
2026
01:45:02,478 --> 01:45:03,354
OK.
2027
01:45:03,521 --> 01:45:05,438
What cinema do you usually go to?
2028
01:45:06,021 --> 01:45:07,354
To the multiplex.
2029
01:45:07,729 --> 01:45:09,479
On Friday or Saturday.
2030
01:45:09,813 --> 01:45:12,396
Okay, I'll never go.
on Friday and Saturday.
2031
01:45:12,479 --> 01:45:14,188
Neither on Sunday if you want.
2032
01:45:14,271 --> 01:45:15,104
OK.
2033
01:45:15,479 --> 01:45:18,104
Do you want to go to the cinema
What's in the center?
2034
01:45:19,063 --> 01:45:20,271
Don't know.
2035
01:45:22,813 --> 01:45:24,521
Do you want me to write all this down?
2036
01:45:24,813 --> 01:45:25,896
Yes please.
2037
01:45:29,771 --> 01:45:31,729
- Are you going to the pool?
- No.
2038
01:45:32,855 --> 01:45:35,355
I leave you Saturday and Monday
if you want to go.
2039
01:45:36,479 --> 01:45:38,979
I will never go to restaurants
from the shopping center.
2040
01:45:39,147 --> 01:45:41,564
I'll leave the ones in the center to you.
day yes, day no.
2041
01:45:41,813 --> 01:45:43,938
Tuesday, Thursday and Saturday...
2042
01:45:45,397 --> 01:45:46,438
- ...is that okay with you?
- Alright.
2043
01:45:49,730 --> 01:45:51,272
You look like mom.
2044
01:45:55,314 --> 01:45:56,396
You are pretty.
2045
01:45:58,480 --> 01:46:00,022
Now I'm going to ask you my questions.
2046
01:46:03,772 --> 01:46:07,230
Did you break the latch
from the bathroom on Merlin Street?
2047
01:46:18,230 --> 01:46:19,647
Was it you?
2048
01:46:21,647 --> 01:46:22,564
Yes.
2049
01:46:25,314 --> 01:46:27,522
Did you hurt Pilou?
2050
01:46:33,272 --> 01:46:34,147
Yes.
2051
01:46:34,522 --> 01:46:36,730
Were you the one who threw away my boxes?
2052
01:46:37,773 --> 01:46:39,689
The boxes that were in my room.
2053
01:46:42,897 --> 01:46:43,814
Yes.
2054
01:46:44,565 --> 01:46:46,647
Do you remember the first time
you made pancakes...
2055
01:46:46,730 --> 01:46:49,772
...on Merlin Street,
shortly after Christmas?
2056
01:46:50,647 --> 01:46:53,814
You were in the kitchen talking
with mom, in the morning.
2057
01:46:54,439 --> 01:46:56,856
I had a broken wrist,
He had recently fallen.
2058
01:46:56,939 --> 01:46:59,814
I entered the kitchen
and suddenly they stopped talking.
2059
01:47:01,106 --> 01:47:02,939
Did he tell you anything about me?
2060
01:47:07,731 --> 01:47:09,815
Did mom try to tell you to stop?
2061
01:47:18,481 --> 01:47:19,565
- Yeah?
- Yes.
2062
01:47:24,773 --> 01:47:26,440
Have there been other victims?
2063
01:47:26,523 --> 01:47:27,356
No.
2064
01:47:28,023 --> 01:47:30,441
- Not even Héloïse?
- No, I promise you.
2065
01:47:34,231 --> 01:47:35,565
So why me?
2066
01:47:41,273 --> 01:47:42,398
Don't know.
2067
01:47:46,773 --> 01:47:48,773
Don't know. It happens like this and...
2068
01:47:55,816 --> 01:47:56,982
Benjamin...
2069
01:48:00,315 --> 01:48:02,106
...didn't you know I didn't want to?
2070
01:48:21,066 --> 01:48:23,357
Thanks for having answered
to my questions.
2071
01:48:24,607 --> 01:48:26,191
If we cross paths somewhere...
2072
01:48:26,274 --> 01:48:29,274
...on the street, in the supermarket,
I don't think I'll greet you.
2073
01:48:29,774 --> 01:48:31,941
And I prefer that you don't greet me either.
2074
01:48:42,607 --> 01:48:44,274
Chloé, if you consider...
2075
01:48:44,358 --> 01:48:47,192
...who have addressed the issues
What did you want to address...
2076
01:48:53,232 --> 01:48:55,191
Do you want to ask your questions now?
2077
01:48:55,275 --> 01:48:56,192
It's not necessary.
2078
01:48:58,525 --> 01:48:59,733
You're sure?
2079
01:49:01,900 --> 01:49:04,442
If you want, I can help you
to remember or to formulate...
2080
01:49:04,524 --> 01:49:06,525
...some of your requests.
2081
01:49:06,691 --> 01:49:07,817
No.
2082
01:49:08,692 --> 01:49:09,942
We can take a break...
2083
01:49:10,108 --> 01:49:11,525
...and resume later...
2084
01:49:12,733 --> 01:49:14,733
...if you need to organize your ideas.
2085
01:49:15,233 --> 01:49:16,567
No, it's not necessary.
2086
01:49:18,483 --> 01:49:19,692
Don't you have any more questions?
2087
01:49:22,442 --> 01:49:23,817
No request?
2088
01:49:26,734 --> 01:49:27,692
No, it's okay.
2089
01:49:32,483 --> 01:49:34,483
I want to thank you both...
2090
01:49:35,692 --> 01:49:37,401
...for having trusted me...
2091
01:49:37,483 --> 01:49:38,775
...throughout the entire process.
2092
01:49:38,858 --> 01:49:39,733
Thank you.
2093
01:49:39,901 --> 01:49:40,900
Thanks to you.
2094
01:49:56,776 --> 01:49:58,733
I want to tell you that I don't blame you anymore.
2095
01:50:03,442 --> 01:50:04,484
Luck.
2096
01:50:28,609 --> 01:50:31,901
I am CPIP, like some of you...
2097
01:50:32,776 --> 01:50:35,734
...and I know how alone
and sometimes useless and impotent...
2098
01:50:35,818 --> 01:50:38,318
...that we can feel...
2099
01:50:38,401 --> 01:50:40,443
...in our work,
even if we try our best.
2100
01:50:41,484 --> 01:50:44,651
Because in many moments we think
that what we do is not enough.
2101
01:50:44,735 --> 01:50:47,734
so i understand
what you come to look for here.
2102
01:50:47,902 --> 01:50:49,276
But let's not fool ourselves...
2103
01:50:49,359 --> 01:50:52,109
...restorative justice
It is a combat sport.
2104
01:50:53,359 --> 01:50:56,360
It's everything this era hates.
2105
01:50:56,526 --> 01:50:58,401
That's it, it's the end...
2106
01:50:58,569 --> 01:51:00,069
...of our fifth meeting.
2107
01:51:00,610 --> 01:51:01,610
Thanks again.
2108
01:51:02,194 --> 01:51:03,610
Commit a lot of time...
2109
01:51:04,235 --> 01:51:06,235
...for many people, it is unpredictable...
2110
01:51:06,902 --> 01:51:08,819
...it's not for everyone...
2111
01:51:09,194 --> 01:51:12,360
...we cannot always say
how many times or until when.
2112
01:51:12,985 --> 01:51:16,402
When your first
devices have gone well...
2113
01:51:16,569 --> 01:51:20,152
...and tell your classmates
and the people around them...
2114
01:51:20,485 --> 01:51:22,110
...that at the end of the meetings...
2115
01:51:22,194 --> 01:51:25,152
...the victims took selfies
with the detainees...
2116
01:51:26,319 --> 01:51:27,860
...some will cross them out...
2117
01:51:28,027 --> 01:51:29,235
...of naive...
2118
01:51:30,319 --> 01:51:32,860
...and others will say
that they are doing magic.
2119
01:51:34,735 --> 01:51:37,736
but you will know
that they have not done magic.
2120
01:51:39,069 --> 01:51:40,610
That they have simply worked.
2121
01:51:59,735 --> 01:52:00,820
Judith...
2122
01:52:01,319 --> 01:52:02,944
...I am writing to you to thank you...
2123
01:52:03,235 --> 01:52:04,611
...and to tell you that I'm fine.
2124
01:52:05,444 --> 01:52:07,486
I felt very sad and angry...
2125
01:52:07,570 --> 01:52:09,695
...during the months
prior to the meeting.
2126
01:52:10,402 --> 01:52:11,570
And also hate.
2127
01:52:12,277 --> 01:52:13,653
And I have closed this episode again.
2128
01:52:14,570 --> 01:52:17,570
I had to stop confusing him
with others.
2129
01:52:18,028 --> 01:52:19,320
To the men with him.
2130
01:52:20,361 --> 01:52:21,653
I found the wolf...
2131
01:52:21,945 --> 01:52:23,278
...he was my brother...
2132
01:52:23,361 --> 01:52:24,653
...and I'm not dead.
2133
01:52:25,486 --> 01:52:27,278
And it will no longer occupy the rest of my life.
2134
01:52:28,486 --> 01:52:30,778
In the end, when I look back...
2135
01:52:31,236 --> 01:52:34,529
...I want to be able to say that that existed
and it was horrible.
2136
01:52:35,154 --> 01:52:38,403
But it is less serious than death
of my father, who will die one day...
2137
01:52:38,486 --> 01:52:40,861
...or a friend's cancer
that you might lose.
2138
01:52:41,320 --> 01:52:43,486
I am happy
for having managed to hate him...
2139
01:52:43,778 --> 01:52:46,071
...because I start
to feel prepared to love.
2140
01:52:46,121 --> 01:52:56,621
Subtitles by MASTERCHIPO.
2141
01:54:05,501 --> 01:54:07,621
IN MEMORY OF JUDITH SIBONI